Marylb wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Pittakos wrote:
Marylb wrote:
I think what is clear is we are not communicating so I'll try something different by way of communication. To a person who is Mormon doing this may seem perfectly fine but for the outside world it is not fine. The reason it is not fine is most people select their affiliation in life. A Catholic, Jew, Agnostic, Protestant or Muslim believes just as strongly as you do in their faith or lack of faith. It is a very important final record of who they are and who they were in life. There will never be a time when anyone will be pleased with any group rewriting their wishes. It just is. I do understand that if you are taught that it is ok you may not understand the horror of making my Catholic mom into a Mormon as it goes against who she was. So what you take lightly is extremely offensive to those who are not of the same faith. I respect that you follow your faith but dig in if anyone no matter the faith plays with my history and steals my true life when I am gone. You may not understand that but it may explain why so many get upset when there is even a hint that someone would dare to baptize someone who would never allow that in life. Hope that makes sense to you because in reality a nonchalant view of this is mind boggling. I can tell you that my mom and every relative with her and those who remain on this planet would come undone. She was quite a woman and she did not accidentally pick her religion anymore than Mormon's do. Hopefully you will understand how upsetting this is to non-Mormons.
And again, Marylb, you completely ignore what I have been saying to you. A Mormon baptism for someone who is dead does not make that dead person a Mormon for reasons already explained. If you were truly listening to what we have been saying, you wouldn't take offense. All you would see is an option that has been offered; an option which the individual can embrace or laugh at and walk away from.

I did listen to you but your explanation was unacceptable to me. I think I understand what you were trying to say now but initially it appeared you were more focused on justifying a right you don't have. See: Joseph Smith discussion early on. I don't think it is a good enough excuse to say the deceased can accept or reject. I'm sorry that is a bogus justification. What is important to me though is that it is on everyone to respect their distant relatives by not doing this without great thought, if ever. I may have misunderstood you but I think it was because you were so nonchalant as if you had no idea why an outsider would be dismayed over the concept. I can't say I like it now but we all learn from what we do and if you are doing wrong, it comes back in life in the form of a karma more often than not. It is on all of us to protect some semblance of respect before we destroy it completely. I can only hope everyone thinks before doing because losing your heritage by converting the reality is something lost.

Your still not getting it, Your still making comments like "your making them mormon" and "your making them lose their heritage" and "your converting them"

Lady, read more, type less.

Since you mentioned it, that is a good idea for you to start practicing. I have read your rude and disrespectful posts that pretend you are God but honestly you do more damage than good toward understanding. Perhaps YOU should read more and type less. It would offer up a golden opportunity for you to see how those Mormons and non-Mormons you attack do more good toward understanding the differences in a positive way than you have ever done while you are busy attacking other Mormons. You are not very bright though you are intent on celebrating every passing thought you have. Lighten up and start thinking for a change.


It is obvious that you still don't get it, even after many have tried to explain it to you. You are the one that is not very bright, it is clear from your lack of comprehension on this topic you have a serious problem. This site is a dumping ground for everything negative about the church, always has been, you are merely one of the many who do so. Get's old, get a new hobby.

You couldn't do it could you? ROFL Type away Dubbs as it entertains me. I have little more interest in your confused thoughts. But I'll toss final thoughts of my own to set you in a spin before I go: When you attack Kitkat and Wren and others who have a sound foundation and bridge the gap of understanding it is like watching someone with a weaker mind trying to convince the world he is a genius by screaming it loud enough and often enough. Just thought you should know that. It doesn't work on me either dear. Because guess what Dubbs...I'm not Mormon so why would I understand without asking a lot of questions until I get it? Had you given me an answer outsiders could understand I would have thanked you. You didn't because you couldn't. You are not equipped Therefore it was only clear as mud to you. Type away as I'm pretty much done with you.

Funny thing is, go look at the very couple posts after yours, for days others tried to explain to you, but here we are days later, and your still making the same inaccurate comments about the process. I mean come on lady, as I said, read more, type less.

Dubbs' continues to violate the spirt of the Articles of Faith. Marylb has every right to her beliefs as does Dubbs. What they both lack is a willingness to consider the validity of the other's opinions. But Dubbs, since he is LDS, should know better. He doesn't.

Wren wrote:
Dubbs' continues to violate the spirt of the Articles of Faith. Marylb has every right to her beliefs as does Dubbs. What they both lack is a willingness to consider the validity of the other's opinions. But Dubbs, since he is LDS, should know better. He doesn't.

That statement hints at a higher understanding to Mormon's on this subject but what is missing is we are talking about our non-Mormon relatives who selected their church and who believed as much as believers of any religion. It is impossible for an outsider to approve their Catholic relatives being rebaptized after death as anything but what they believed in life. The very word Baptized causes a problem in communication though I note that in this case baptising is said not to be baptising. So there are still blanks for understanding. Certainly my relatives are my relatives so if I didn't question I'd be lacking the respect for their wishes and choices. Do I understand now? Not completely as my mom is and was Catholic and that is just the way it is. And baptising her is baptising her. What I have learned is there seems to be a set of circumstances that lead to this that seem reasonable if reasonably implemented. I still don't like it because no non-Mormon would anymore than they'd like Catholics doing this to anyone's Jewish mother. It is a touchy subject and there is no small amount of understanding that must come from both sides imo. In fact taking a higher position with hidden meaning of inside religious understanding doesn't actually resolve the problem of the analogy of "my mom" to outsiders but I do think that those who know the religion can and do explain the belief for a better understanding if not an acceptance. That may be the problem here for me is the lack of understanding of how important different beliefs are to each individual. I struggle with respecting all beliefs not just one at the expense of all others. "My Mom" as an analogy should explain my stand but I don't think it has because most are talking from a single religious belief aspect that includes "My Mom" and I am talking from a respect of her life choices and belief. Respect. It is a tough one that I don't think a Mormon can fully understand if this string is an indication. What I wanted was for someone, anyone to understand how important living choices are not how right it was to do this. I think maybe one day in the future we will live on a planet where all people of every religion respect one another but it is a long time coming.

Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Pittakos wrote:
Marylb wrote:
I think what is clear is we are not communicating so I'll try something different by way of communication. To a person who is Mormon doing this may seem perfectly fine but for the outside world it is not fine. The reason it is not fine is most people select their affiliation in life. A Catholic, Jew, Agnostic, Protestant or Muslim believes just as strongly as you do in their faith or lack of faith. It is a very important final record of who they are and who they were in life. There will never be a time when anyone will be pleased with any group rewriting their wishes. It just is. I do understand that if you are taught that it is ok you may not understand the horror of making my Catholic mom into a Mormon as it goes against who she was. So what you take lightly is extremely offensive to those who are not of the same faith. I respect that you follow your faith but dig in if anyone no matter the faith plays with my history and steals my true life when I am gone. You may not understand that but it may explain why so many get upset when there is even a hint that someone would dare to baptize someone who would never allow that in life. Hope that makes sense to you because in reality a nonchalant view of this is mind boggling. I can tell you that my mom and every relative with her and those who remain on this planet would come undone. She was quite a woman and she did not accidentally pick her religion anymore than Mormon's do. Hopefully you will understand how upsetting this is to non-Mormons.
And again, Marylb, you completely ignore what I have been saying to you. A Mormon baptism for someone who is dead does not make that dead person a Mormon for reasons already explained. If you were truly listening to what we have been saying, you wouldn't take offense. All you would see is an option that has been offered; an option which the individual can embrace or laugh at and walk away from.

I did listen to you but your explanation was unacceptable to me. I think I understand what you were trying to say now but initially it appeared you were more focused on justifying a right you don't have. See: Joseph Smith discussion early on. I don't think it is a good enough excuse to say the deceased can accept or reject. I'm sorry that is a bogus justification. What is important to me though is that it is on everyone to respect their distant relatives by not doing this without great thought, if ever. I may have misunderstood you but I think it was because you were so nonchalant as if you had no idea why an outsider would be dismayed over the concept. I can't say I like it now but we all learn from what we do and if you are doing wrong, it comes back in life in the form of a karma more often than not. It is on all of us to protect some semblance of respect before we destroy it completely. I can only hope everyone thinks before doing because losing your heritage by converting the reality is something lost.

Your still not getting it, Your still making comments like "your making them mormon" and "your making them lose their heritage" and "your converting them"

Lady, read more, type less.

And YOU'RE still misusing YOUR.

Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Pittakos wrote:
Marylb wrote:
I think what is clear is we are not communicating so I'll try something different by way of communication. To a person who is Mormon doing this may seem perfectly fine but for the outside world it is not fine. The reason it is not fine is most people select their affiliation in life. A Catholic, Jew, Agnostic, Protestant or Muslim believes just as strongly as you do in their faith or lack of faith. It is a very important final record of who they are and who they were in life. There will never be a time when anyone will be pleased with any group rewriting their wishes. It just is. I do understand that if you are taught that it is ok you may not understand the horror of making my Catholic mom into a Mormon as it goes against who she was. So what you take lightly is extremely offensive to those who are not of the same faith. I respect that you follow your faith but dig in if anyone no matter the faith plays with my history and steals my true life when I am gone. You may not understand that but it may explain why so many get upset when there is even a hint that someone would dare to baptize someone who would never allow that in life. Hope that makes sense to you because in reality a nonchalant view of this is mind boggling. I can tell you that my mom and every relative with her and those who remain on this planet would come undone. She was quite a woman and she did not accidentally pick her religion anymore than Mormon's do. Hopefully you will understand how upsetting this is to non-Mormons.
And again, Marylb, you completely ignore what I have been saying to you. A Mormon baptism for someone who is dead does not make that dead person a Mormon for reasons already explained. If you were truly listening to what we have been saying, you wouldn't take offense. All you would see is an option that has been offered; an option which the individual can embrace or laugh at and walk away from.

I did listen to you but your explanation was unacceptable to me. I think I understand what you were trying to say now but initially it appeared you were more focused on justifying a right you don't have. See: Joseph Smith discussion early on. I don't think it is a good enough excuse to say the deceased can accept or reject. I'm sorry that is a bogus justification. What is important to me though is that it is on everyone to respect their distant relatives by not doing this without great thought, if ever. I may have misunderstood you but I think it was because you were so nonchalant as if you had no idea why an outsider would be dismayed over the concept. I can't say I like it now but we all learn from what we do and if you are doing wrong, it comes back in life in the form of a karma more often than not. It is on all of us to protect some semblance of respect before we destroy it completely. I can only hope everyone thinks before doing because losing your heritage by converting the reality is something lost.

Your still not getting it, Your still making comments like "your making them mormon" and "your making them lose their heritage" and "your converting them"

Lady, read more, type less.

Since you mentioned it, that is a good idea for you to start practicing. I have read your rude and disrespectful posts that pretend you are God but honestly you do more damage than good toward understanding. Perhaps YOU should read more and type less. It would offer up a golden opportunity for you to see how those Mormons and non-Mormons you attack do more good toward understanding the differences in a positive way than you have ever done while you are busy attacking other Mormons. You are not very bright though you are intent on celebrating every passing thought you have. Lighten up and start thinking for a change.


It is obvious that you still don't get it, even after many have tried to explain it to you. You are the one that is not very bright, it is clear from your lack of comprehension on this topic you have a serious problem. This site is a dumping ground for everything negative about the church, always has been, you are merely one of the many who do so. Get's old, get a new hobby.

This woman has every right to voice her concerns about an issue which she believes could adversely affect people who cannot speak for themselves.

REGARDLESS of whether her concerns concur with YOUR religious beliefs.

And since there are obviously so many people discussing the LDS faith, what they agree with, what they disagree with, what they like and/or what they dislike...and since it's getting so old for you...don't participate in the forum.

Do something else. Get a new hobby.

Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Pittakos wrote:
Marylb wrote:
I think what is clear is we are not communicating so I'll try something different by way of communication. To a person who is Mormon doing this may seem perfectly fine but for the outside world it is not fine. The reason it is not fine is most people select their affiliation in life. A Catholic, Jew, Agnostic, Protestant or Muslim believes just as strongly as you do in their faith or lack of faith. It is a very important final record of who they are and who they were in life. There will never be a time when anyone will be pleased with any group rewriting their wishes. It just is. I do understand that if you are taught that it is ok you may not understand the horror of making my Catholic mom into a Mormon as it goes against who she was. So what you take lightly is extremely offensive to those who are not of the same faith. I respect that you follow your faith but dig in if anyone no matter the faith plays with my history and steals my true life when I am gone. You may not understand that but it may explain why so many get upset when there is even a hint that someone would dare to baptize someone who would never allow that in life. Hope that makes sense to you because in reality a nonchalant view of this is mind boggling. I can tell you that my mom and every relative with her and those who remain on this planet would come undone. She was quite a woman and she did not accidentally pick her religion anymore than Mormon's do. Hopefully you will understand how upsetting this is to non-Mormons.
And again, Marylb, you completely ignore what I have been saying to you. A Mormon baptism for someone who is dead does not make that dead person a Mormon for reasons already explained. If you were truly listening to what we have been saying, you wouldn't take offense. All you would see is an option that has been offered; an option which the individual can embrace or laugh at and walk away from.

I did listen to you but your explanation was unacceptable to me. I think I understand what you were trying to say now but initially it appeared you were more focused on justifying a right you don't have. See: Joseph Smith discussion early on. I don't think it is a good enough excuse to say the deceased can accept or reject. I'm sorry that is a bogus justification. What is important to me though is that it is on everyone to respect their distant relatives by not doing this without great thought, if ever. I may have misunderstood you but I think it was because you were so nonchalant as if you had no idea why an outsider would be dismayed over the concept. I can't say I like it now but we all learn from what we do and if you are doing wrong, it comes back in life in the form of a karma more often than not. It is on all of us to protect some semblance of respect before we destroy it completely. I can only hope everyone thinks before doing because losing your heritage by converting the reality is something lost.

Your still not getting it, Your still making comments like "your making them mormon" and "your making them lose their heritage" and "your converting them"

Lady, read more, type less.

Since you mentioned it, that is a good idea for you to start practicing. I have read your rude and disrespectful posts that pretend you are God but honestly you do more damage than good toward understanding. Perhaps YOU should read more and type less. It would offer up a golden opportunity for you to see how those Mormons and non-Mormons you attack do more good toward understanding the differences in a positive way than you have ever done while you are busy attacking other Mormons. You are not very bright though you are intent on celebrating every passing thought you have. Lighten up and start thinking for a change.


It is obvious that you still don't get it, even after many have tried to explain it to you. You are the one that is not very bright, it is clear from your lack of comprehension on this topic you have a serious problem. This site is a dumping ground for everything negative about the church, always has been, you are merely one of the many who do so. Get's old, get a new hobby.

This woman has every right to voice her concerns about an issue which she believes could adversely affect people who cannot speak for themselves.

REGARDLESS of whether her concerns concur with YOUR religious beliefs.
Dubs views and beliefs trumps those of everyone else, or so it seems. You think?