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Re:Vatican keeps parish records from LDS church 2 Months ago
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iceman wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
iceman wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Suppose Scientology was performing one of their technologies on the name of your deceased mother so she could meet L Ron Hubbard.
Suppose the Scientologists had told your cousin (who had given them your mother's name) that she was probably just overjoyed at the day of her Scientology tech being applied...she can now progress into the higher realms.
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How about if the technology was being applied to the name of your sister who was not too long ago killed as a result of a car accident?
Wouldn't care, I have my beliefs, they have theirs, there's affect mine in now way, shape or form.
Really? Then one is led to wonder why you spend so much time ragging on me and so many others regarding our religious beliefs.
He is a reason why I absolutely detest organized, "my God is better than your God', religions. If it weren't for religion, Bush and the Muslims would have nothing to do.
Well the feelings mutual for guys like you who claim there religion is truth, but when asked to explain it, can't. Universalism=hogwash.
Sorry Dubbs...can you point out ANYWHERE were I referred that my religion is truth? For all intents and purposes, I am agnostic...I believe God.but not organized religion. I've seen nothing but fallacy in "religions". What it all boils down to, is a personal relationship in God, and not influences by a gagle of potentates.
Yes, yes, we see this more and more in the last days, apostacy and universalism will grow and abound. I see nothing but fallacy in your beliefs either bro. So we think alike in that way.
Much like wren, who believes similar non sense.
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Re:Vatican keeps parish records from LDS church 2 Months ago
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Dubbs wrote:
iceman wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
iceman wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Suppose Scientology was performing one of their technologies on the name of your deceased mother so she could meet L Ron Hubbard.
Suppose the Scientologists had told your cousin (who had given them your mother's name) that she was probably just overjoyed at the day of her Scientology tech being applied...she can now progress into the higher realms.
... ?
How about if the technology was being applied to the name of your sister who was not too long ago killed as a result of a car accident?
Wouldn't care, I have my beliefs, they have theirs, there's affect mine in now way, shape or form.
Really? Then one is led to wonder why you spend so much time ragging on me and so many others regarding our religious beliefs.
He is a reason why I absolutely detest organized, "my God is better than your God', religions. If it weren't for religion, Bush and the Muslims would have nothing to do.
Well the feelings mutual for guys like you who claim there religion is truth, but when asked to explain it, can't. Universalism=hogwash.
Sorry Dubbs...can you point out ANYWHERE were I referred that my religion is truth? For all intents and purposes, I am agnostic...I believe God.but not organized religion. I've seen nothing but fallacy in "religions". What it all boils down to, is a personal relationship in God, and not influences by a gagle of potentates.
Yes, yes, we see this more and more in the last days, apostacy and universalism will grow and abound. I see nothing but fallacy in your beliefs either bro. So we think alike in that way.
Much like wren, who believes similar non sense.
Ponder on the Savior. That may help your anger.
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Re:Vatican keeps parish records from LDS church 2 Months ago
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Pittakos wrote:
iceman wrote:
Pitt...
We have our own religious beliefs and probably quite different. I do not believe in the various celestial kingdoms, terestial, or whatever, nor the degrees. I do not believe women need to be sealed to a man to gain entry into heaven, or kingdom, and I certainly don't believe men become gods. There is only one in my religion, any more than that is blasphemy.
I was baptised but was not confirmed into the Church until old enough to understand what it meant theologically. But, that's what I accepted at the time. Time does change ideology however.
Some people have an opinion on afterlife, whether it be the good works they have done or have been a loyal member of a church. With that is their belief acceptance to God's presence in heaven, or hell for that matter. They die with their belief system intact...or so they thought. Which is why the LDS should review their practice on interferrence with other religions.
Suppose an LDS apostle, or any member for that matter, dies, and a wiccan or satanist decides that would practice a black art over the grave of the dead LDS member to bring their soul to the grasp of satan or whatever they believe in. Purhaps place an innocuous Baphamet or Pentagram on the LDS member's grave...after all they were just trying to be "good hearted" by sharing their religion. Just how would you feel? This is not to say LDS is evil or satanic, this is an analogy on a perspective.
Thanks for responding, mon ami. I suppose that it would be reason to be offended if by the very act of performing this ritual that the person did in fact become LDS without any recourse or choice in the matter. However, that is not what the LDS baptism for the dead does. What we do is akin to baking a cookie for someone and then holding it out for them to take and eat. If they take the cookie and eat it then the effort had some validity. If they refuse the cookie and walk away, then the cookie gets thrown in the trash and that is the end of it. The persons mouth has never been "defiled" by my cookie. They are still a non-cookie eater even though I specifically baked that cookie for them. It is the same with the baptisms. It is offered but is non-binding unless the deceased person decides to accept it. It is totally up to them. We believe that they still, even in death, have the agency to decide what and who they are and will be. So there really is no interference going on. People frequently ask the question that you did about how would we feel if the same was done to one of our family members or our prophet. All I can say is that since we don't believe in what they are doing nor have the authority to do so, then so what? Big deal. It wouldn't bother me because ultimately I believe that the person who has died still has agency to decide what their beliefs are and they always will. So, if after I die, if a Satan worshiper wants to offer me a cookie, I will probably smile at him and say no thanks and walk away. Hopefully, this makes some sense.
Loved the analogy - it explained it well.
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Re:Vatican keeps parish records from LDS church 2 Months ago
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Dubbs wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Suppose Scientology was performing one of their technologies on the name of your deceased mother so she could meet L Ron Hubbard.
Suppose the Scientologists had told your cousin (who had given them your mother's name) that she was probably just overjoyed at the day of her Scientology tech being applied...she can now progress into the higher realms.
... ?
How about if the technology was being applied to the name of your sister who was not too long ago killed as a result of a car accident?
Wouldn't care, I have my beliefs, they have theirs, there's affect mine in now way, shape or form.Fair enough. Care to explain further?
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Re:Vatican keeps parish records from LDS church 2 Months ago
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Jaye wrote:Dubbs wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Suppose Scientology was performing one of their technologies on the name of your deceased mother so she could meet L Ron Hubbard.
Suppose the Scientologists had told your cousin (who had given them your mother's name) that she was probably just overjoyed at the day of her Scientology tech being applied...she can now progress into the higher realms.
... ?
How about if the technology was being applied to the name of your sister who was not too long ago killed as a result of a car accident?
Wouldn't care, I have my beliefs, they have theirs, there's affect mine in now way, shape or form.
Really? Then one is led to wonder why you spend so much time ragging on me and so many others regarding our religious beliefs.
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Jaye (User)
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Re:Vatican keeps parish records from LDS church 2 Months ago
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Dubbs wrote:iceman wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Suppose Scientology was performing one of their technologies on the name of your deceased mother so she could meet L Ron Hubbard.
Suppose the Scientologists had told your cousin (who had given them your mother's name) that she was probably just overjoyed at the day of her Scientology tech being applied...she can now progress into the higher realms.
... ?
How about if the technology was being applied to the name of your sister who was not too long ago killed as a result of a car accident?
Wouldn't care, I have my beliefs, they have theirs, there's affect mine in now way, shape or form.
Really? Then one is led to wonder why you spend so much time ragging on me and so many others regarding our religious beliefs.
He is a reason why I absolutely detest organized, "my God is better than your God', religions. If it weren't for religion, Bush and the Muslims would have nothing to do.
Well the feelings mutual for guys like you who claim there religion is truth, but when asked to explain it, can't. Universalism=hogwash.And you boo-hoo so very plaintively when someone says the same thing about Mormonism.  For one thing...Wren has never stated that his religious beliefs were true for anyone else but himself. And neither has Iceman. And neither have I. You, on the other hand...appear to believe that your religious beliefs are absolute truth...when you don't even have a firm grasp of them yourself.
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Last Edit: 2008/05/07 06:58 By Jaye.
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