Blondie wrote:Just Reading wrote:
Blondie wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Blondie wrote:
Marylb wrote:
Blondie wrote:
Marylb wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, parents make poor decisions all the time.
Taking your eyes off a child near roads
Unfastened seatbelts
Poor supervision around waterways
Leaving a child alone in any setting
Forgetting a child in a car
Backing up in driveways
Poor diets impacting their health
Every year the headlines tell the story with loss of young lives and you can single out one form of fatal results but truly blind justice would be charging every single parent who loses a child due to some form of negligence. Many have strong thoughts on a new mom forgetting her child in a car but shouldn't there be a drumbeat for all survivors of these kinds of tragedies if consistancy is necessary in logic.
Sometimes society is so cruel that there is an inability to understand even the simplest of things like a mother losing a child over her own mistake. Society just doesn't seem to get that you can't hurt her now. No one can. And who in their right mind would feel a need to leap on a bandwagon. We can do better than this.
Parenting and mistakes can go hand in hand and somehow the message has to be that good parenting skills can be achieved with solid foundations. A justice system that charges those who fail is understandable but a society based need to further punish the inconsolable with long jail terms is just society's need for a literal form of blind justice tipping the scale into blind cruelty. Be careful what you wish for - Very careful.
Maryb,
Are you saying the parents should never be punished???? If so, I would have to disagree with your post....Negligence is not an excuse. 
No as I do understand why the justice system has no choice in this. I'm more put off by society's need for tougher sentencing in these horrific cases. I do think the court tries to balance justice case by case and that is how it should be. A call for tougher justice by society for a situation this horrific is a dangerous thing if the courts start listening. There are too many ways for a new parent to make a fatal mistake and they do. Taken literally, this is not just about one kind of loss by one specific negligence so we need to be a little more aware that horrible mistakes happen and will happen, a little less smug, and we need to focus on education for new parents. I suspect if we thought about it, we'd want our courts to be wise more than vengeful.
In Las Vegas(in the past month), A "good Mormon" family( The Rimers) left their handicapped "4" year old in the vehicle for 17 hours after church services........ He DIED...... This is in the past month. The only clean room was the parents, they left the child for the older children to care for, they had seven(7) children........The LDS ward came into the home after the death and cleaned it for them so Child Protective Services would not take the other children. The older kids are technically at fault said the Mother Coleen Rimer...........They were suppose to be taking care of him. THE PARENTS have been charged with MURDER, as they should be........
What about the AF man, Putnam, should he not be found guilty either. He just got a little rough........?????????? AND HE IS VERY SORRY.....
NEGLIGENCE is no excuse for parents without parenting skills. Woe is me, is to readily used these days. There are all kinds of help programs for parents, but you need to want to learn...... JMO
Abuse is abuse. I have no sympathy for anyone who harms children purposefully. Those parents should be charged with murder. These are two different categories. Of those who would harm children with violence or neglect I say toss the book at them. I don't think that a new parent making a mistake but who otherwise is a very good parent is the same thing as parents who beat or starve their babies. What you mention is classic cases of why the courts are wise when they factor in malice and motivation v accidental action and the results. How is a new mom accidentally forgetting a new infant is in the car the same as someone who purposely tortures a baby to you? Don't let the word negligence fool you into thinking cold blooded murder is the same as a new parent forgetting to buckle in a child. You don't accidentally beat, starve or systematically abuse a child to death. Apples and oranges imo.
Blondie I believe Marylb is right, It's good that you stand against child abuse, but an accidental action is different then abuse.....
The Las Vegas couple's FRIENDS AND CHURCH, said CANT anyone see this is an accident? They love their children ....... How about the 2 year old (in Phoenix) that ALMOST drowned. She is on life support, because 6 ADULTS sitting right by pool were engaged in a conversation and the child was in pool less than 10 minutes. Accidental action or Negligence or Abuse?????????? How about the Father in Massachusetts who forgot to drop his newborn off to day care, he just forgot?????????????
I do agree that when the Provo worker backed over a child that ran behind him (a little over a year ago) THAT was an accident. Holding a child and have them flop from your arms(and hit the floor), THAT is an accident. The above BOLD excuses, Just don't Fly for me...... We can disagree but, there is a fine line. JMO
OK you have your Bold opinion and I have mine, I'm glad you are so perfect,
Now don't go all Dubbs on us OK,
Ooops too late...!!! 
????????? If you did not notice, I put JMO.....
Kiss my arse JR......
There must be a burr up yours today.... I was being very respectful??????????????????
I have never got in the trenches with Dubbss as you have..... "LOL" Boy it didn't take much to get you
"LOL"
that's what I love about you Blondie
Now about kissing your ass, is that with Whip Cream or chocolate sauce ???
Blondie I have had a Doctor one time stick something up my ass, but I was knocked out at the time, so as far as I know there is nothing up there.............
... I hope there's nothing up there...
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Blondie sorry I got you mad, but yes you were being respectful but you are also being very stubburn, that's why I said the Dubbs thing, you know it's Dubbs way or no way kind of thing,
It's like you are saying it's the LAW and that's it..... I really thought you were more open minded then that, Well Sweet Heart I think each situation needs to be looked at on there own merits, some could be just simple accident's with no intent to harm their children,
I have to admit one time I forgot about one of my kids, I left her at a park for about 45 minutes before I realized she was not with us, I thought the wife put her in the car, she thought I put her in the car, Boy did I rush back to the park... So yes things happen Blondie not everyone needs to go to jail for making a mistake, which by the way it seem the way everybody thinks now a days,
P.S. I really don't know what too say about you saying that I'm in the same trenches with Dubbss..!! It just shows how close our friendship is I guess,
