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Tuesday, 25 March 2008
Bush says Iraq outcome will 'merit the sacrifice' Print E-mail
Ben Feller - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS   

Marking a grim milestone, a determined President Bush declared Monday the lives of 4,000 U.S. military men and women who have died in Iraq "were not lost in vain." The White House signaled anew that additional troops won't be pulled out soon.

A roadside bomb in Baghdad killed four U.S. soldiers Sunday night, pushing the death toll to 4,000.

That number pales compared with those of other lengthy U.S. wars, but it is much higher than many Americans, including Bush, ever expected after the swift U.S. invasion of Iraq five years ago.

Bush proclaimed the end of major combat operations in Iraq in May 2003. Almost all of the U.S. deaths there have happened since then.

"One day people will look back at this moment in history and say, 'Thank God there were courageous people willing to serve, because they laid the foundations for peace for generations to come,"' Bush said after a State Department briefing about long-term diplomacy efforts.

"I have vowed in the past, and I will vow so long as I'm president, to make sure that those lives were not lost in vain -- that, in fact, there is an outcome that will merit the sacrifice," Bush said.

The news of 4,000 dead in Iraq came the week after the war rolled into its sixth year, dominating most of Bush's presidency. Almost 30,000 U.S. service members have been wounded in the war.

Early in April, Bush is expected to announce the next steps in the war, and he is likely to embrace a pause in any troop withdrawals beyond those scheduled to end this July.

Democrats in Congress and on the presidential campaign trail continue to push for a faster end to war. But Bush still has the upper hand for 10 months.

"Americans are asking how much longer must our troops continue to sacrifice for the sake of an Iraqi government that is unwilling or unable to secure its own future," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She said the cost to the U.S. reputation is immense, and the threat to the economy at home is unacceptable.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the death toll is a reminder that the nation must get out of an "endless civil war and make America more secure."

The White House was careful in its reaction to the milestone, calling it a sober moment but emphasizing that deaths are grieved no matter what the number. Bush said people are praying for the families of those killed whether they were among the first or the most recent casualties.

The number killed in Iraq is far less than in other modern American wars.

In Vietnam, the U.S. lost more than 58,000 troops, passing the 4,000 mark in 1966 as deaths rose quickly along with escalating American involvement.

Grim milestones such as new death toll often go unremarked by Bush. But he chose on this occasion to note the losses, albeit briefly and without taking questions from reporters.

As always, his message was determination.

"Our strategy going forward will be aimed at making sure that we achieve victory and, therefore, America becomes more secure," he said. Just last week, Bush said the high cost in lives and treasure was necessary to halt the spread of terrorism and keep Iraq out of chaos.

One option that has found favor in the Pentagon is for Bush to announce in April a relatively brief pause in troop reductions beyond July, without saying when or at what pace further cuts will be made. During the pause, Gen. David Petraeus, his top commander in Iraq, would make yet another assessment of conditions in Iraq, possibly in September, before recommending specific troop reductions for the final months of 2008.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush sees "some merit" in that idea. "I think that's not unlikely," she said.

One factor arguing against a quick resumption in troop cuts after July is the likelihood that Iraq will hold provincial elections in October, an event that probably will require heightened security.

"It's now a question of how much time do we pause for," said Max Boot, a conservative expert on national security and a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "Petraeus has been pushing for it, and I think the president will certainly give it to him. He has a pretty good hand right now just from the political calculus -- he can make a decision on the merits without having to be panicked into a political decision."

The war has taken an enormous toll on Bush's own standing. Most Americans polled think the U.S. invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

Security has improved there, credited largely to the increase in U.S. military might last year. But the pace of political progress has exasperated U.S. lawmakers and military leaders.

The U.S. has about 158,000 troops in Iraq. That number is expected to drop to 140,000 by summer.

Bush met for two hours Monday with his national security team. Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, took part by video linkup.

Meanwhile, both Democratic presidential contenders made note of the 4,000 deaths.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told a campaign audience in Pennsylvania that she would honor the fallen by ending the war and bringing home U.S. troops "as quickly and responsibly as possible." Her rival for the nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, said, "It is past time to end this war that should never have been waged by bringing our troops home, and finally pushing Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future."

Vice President Dick Cheney, meanwhile, criticized Clinton and Obama for advocating a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. Without mentioning them by name, he said such a pullout would put the U.S. at risk.

"I do, and (it) is seriously, seriously misguided," Cheney said in an ABC News interview while traveling in the Middle East. "A belief that somehow we can walk away from Iraq, and it won't have lasting consequences -- I'm talking about any candidate for high office who believes the solution to our problem in that part of the world is to walk away from the commitments that we've made in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere."

The Associated Press count of 4,000 deaths is based on U.S. military reports and includes eight civilians who worked for the Department of Defense.

Last year, U.S. military deaths spiked as troops sought to regain control of Baghdad and surrounding areas. The death toll has seesawed since, with 2007 ending as the deadliest year for American troops at 901 deaths. That was 51 more than 2004.

Tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed.

Putting the 4,000 U.S. deaths in context, 406,000 U.S. service member died in World War II, 58,000 were killed in Vietnam, and 37,000 died in Korea.

"You regret every casualty, every loss," Cheney said. "The president is the one that has to make that decision to send young men and women into harm's way. It never gets any easier."

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ThomasK Mar 25 2008 21:36:41
utocoman wrote:
Whose "we" Einstein?

Ha ha! with that grammar I am pleased to discount you as part of the group!!


I'm glad you were able to let go of your only friend Mr Happy, so you could get that one out. Now you two run along and play with yourself.

You going to the caucus tonight? Didn't even know there is one, did you? Demwit. Don't even know your precinct and where they meet, do you? Guess what dorcuss? I know my precinct and who is interested in running. I know them personally. They are good friends of mine. I'm supporting them even though I'm a registered Republican. I'm not a blind fool like you.

You're a pathetic blowhard that is clueless. You're one of those doofusses that when they walk into the room everyone turns away.
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prisonpig Mar 25 2008 23:08:55
ThomasK wrote:
utocoman wrote:
Whose "we" Einstein?

Ha ha! with that grammar I am pleased to discount you as part of the group!!


I'm glad you were able to let go of your only friend Mr Happy, so you could get that one out. Now you two run along and play with yourself.

You going to the caucus tonight? Didn't even know there is one, did you? Demwit. Don't even know your precinct and where they meet, do you? Guess what dorcuss? I know my precinct and who is interested in running. I know them personally. They are good friends of mine. I'm supporting them even though I'm a registered Republican. I'm not a blind fool like you.

You're a pathetic blowhard that is clueless. You're one of those doofusses that when they walk into the room everyone turns away.


Thomas, with that kind of post it sounds like you're taking over for Dubss! You know, with the silly name calling that sounds like a 12 or 13-year-old is writing it!
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truthhurts Mar 26 2008 00:01:24
Decaf wrote:
Just thought I'd breathe some fresh air in to the stale atmosphere of cynic's paranoia and discontent

Enjoy

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114684,00.html

Ah, Decaf, nice of you to grace us with a four year old bunch of Republican fluff and puff from Fox News, and I would not be at all surprised if they got their figures from good old Donny Rumsfeld himself. Gee, that brings back memories. Back in March 2004 some people still actually thought there really were WMD's somewhere in Iraq. Imagaine that. Some people maybe even still thought Bush had a clue too. And we only had a total of 600 or so dead US troops then. 4,000 dead US troops now. Has Fox News been reporting that?

But I digress. Lets take the issue of Iraq's health care. Here's is a piece of supposed data from your article

"240 hospitals and most of Iraq's 1200 clinics have reopened. 70 private hospitals are operating."

Depends on how one defines "opened", I guess. Maybe "opened" means the doors aren't locked. And as for Doctors, that is another story. Here is something more current, from this January.

LONDON, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Iraq's healthcare is in disarray with doctors and nurses fleeing abroad and child death rates soaring, according to a report on Wednesday.

Up to 75 percent of Iraq's doctors, pharmacists and nurses have left their jobs since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. More than half of those have emigrated, the report by health organisation Medact said.

"The health system is in disarray, not only because of the underlying security, but owing to the lack of an institutional framework, huge staff shortages, intermittent electricity, unsafe water supply and frequent violations of medical neutrality," the report, "Rehabilitation Under Fire", said.

Iraq has only around 9,000 doctors, giving a ratio of six doctors to every 10,000 people. By comparison, the ratio in Britain is 23 to every 10,000...


http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL16828588

75% of the doctors, pharmacists and nurses in Iraq have flown the coop. That's progress, Decaf. Bush progress.

Better get some fresh air, Decaf. This post of yours was really stale.
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WaynesWorld Mar 26 2008 04:04:55
JLD wrote:
Five years after the globalist firing of Saddam, it remains the most dangerous city, in the most dangerous country on earth

Where did you get that? What constitutes the "most dangerous". I'm not saying it isn't dangerous, just the opposite. But given what is happening in Africa, just to name a place at random, I don't think Iraq is the most dangerous place on earth. I could be wrong though.
If you're a terrorist intent on striking America and your in Iraq, yes, Iraq is the most dangerous place on earth.
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unaffiliated_person Mar 26 2008 14:14:31
Perhaps the administration could explain this piece of war-profiteering. Note that KBR is part of Halliburton.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/25/afghanistan.aid.waste.ap/index.html

Most Afghan aid is going straight to defense contractor profits and high salaries. I am sure the Afghans feel really good working alongside people for 200 times less the money.
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