Tuesday, 06 May 2008
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Lindsey Tanner - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS   

CHICAGO -- Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die.

Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.

The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Department of Health and Human Services.

The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals "so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical-care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report.

The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources -- including ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses -- are used in a uniform, objective way, task force members said.

Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest Physicians.

"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.

To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and with a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

• People older than 85.

• Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

• Severely burned patients older than 60.

• Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

• Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.

Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."

The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.

If followed precisely, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."

James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the suggestions.

He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.

Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most detailed one I have seen from a professional group."

While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley said.

Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for everyone."

That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time before such a health care disaster hits, she said.

"You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by surprise. We didn't even know it existed."


On the Net: • CHEST: http://www.chestjournal.org • U.S. Govt.: http://www.pandemicflu.gov

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Jaye May 06 2008 20:12:58
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Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."

The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.


Not under martial law!

Nothing like using a disease outbreak as justification to suspend Constitutional rights. The dumbed down public wouldn't have a clue what was actually happening to them and who's responsible for it.

"Prior to the rationing of critical care resources, hospitals and surrounding areas must first experience a 'trigger' event that includes a declared state of emergency and lack of critical equipment or infrastructure." the report states.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/acoc-ndp050108.php

Last September the World Health Organization and the U.N. were handed control over response procedures in the event of a pandemic outbreak in the U.S. after an agreement was signed by President Bush at the 2007 Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting, bypassing congressional approval. http://www.spp.gov/pdf/nap_flu07.pdf

The origins of the agreement can be traced back to 2005, when President Bush announced a new International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza to a High-Level Plenary Meeting of the U.N. General Assembly, in New York.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2005/53865.htm

In April of 2005 President Bush also added pandemic influenza to the list of diseases for which quarantine is authorized.

China's zealous martial law tactics in dealing with SARS, home detention, curfews, mandatory vaccinations, restriction of travel, are the model for what could unfold in the US.

The federal blueprint for the exact same scenario was released and picked up by the British news media a year earlier in 2004.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article490982.ece

This is a slow process of conditioning the public to accept mandatory vaccinations and restrictions on mobility under a rule of martial law.

The ball started rolling back in 2001 when the Model States Emergency Health Powers Act was passed, which allows for total government takeover of every industry, vehicle, building, location, distribution process, you name it.

And when this flu pandemic happens who will we blame? Surely not US scientists playing around with the deadly 1918 Spanish flu virus at "less than the maximum level of containment" according to the New Scientist magazine.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6554


THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD ENDS
THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD ENDS
THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD ENDS
NOT WITH A BANG...BUT A WHIMPER!

#366231

Just Reading
May 07 2008 15:20:44
WaynesWorld wrote:
Keeper:

Do you ask yourself why? Why would anyone want to do what I am suggesting?


Well lets see,

Who does the one world order people hate,

Non useful people, like the old and sick, people on welfare, people on Social Security, drug addicts, the poor all of the people who cost the government money,

look at the list of who gets help and who will not,

now if I was paranoid, it would kind of make me think they are planning on something,

like starting a pandemic outbreak just to get rid of the trash as they would say, that would save the Country a lot of money and resource's,

then the rich upper elite could have their one world order.....
#366354
WaynesWorld May 07 2008 18:21:15
Just Reading wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Keeper:

Do you ask yourself why? Why would anyone want to do what I am suggesting?


Well lets see,

Who does the one world order people hate,

Non useful people, like the old and sick, people on welfare, people on Social Security, drug addicts, the poor all of the people who cost the government money,

look at the list of who gets help and who will not,

now if I was paranoid, it would kind of make me think they are planning on something,

like starting a pandemic outbreak just to get rid of the trash as they would say, that would save the Country a lot of money and resource's,

then the rich upper elite could have their one world order.....
I see. It requires a paranoia to follow the reasoning.
#366403

Just Reading
May 07 2008 18:35:40
WaynesWorld wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Keeper:

Do you ask yourself why? Why would anyone want to do what I am suggesting?


Well lets see,

Who does the one world order people hate,

Non useful people, like the old and sick, people on welfare, people on Social Security, drug addicts, the poor all of the people who cost the government money,

look at the list of who gets help and who will not,

now if I was paranoid, it would kind of make me think they are planning on something,

like starting a pandemic outbreak just to get rid of the trash as they would say, that would save the Country a lot of money and resource's,

then the rich upper elite could have their one world order.....
I see. It requires a paranoia to follow the reasoning.


well that is an opinion....
#366411
WaynesWorld May 08 2008 04:18:59
Just Reading wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Keeper:

Do you ask yourself why? Why would anyone want to do what I am suggesting?


Well lets see,

Who does the one world order people hate,

Non useful people, like the old and sick, people on welfare, people on Social Security, drug addicts, the poor all of the people who cost the government money,

look at the list of who gets help and who will not,

now if I was paranoid, it would kind of make me think they are planning on something,

like starting a pandemic outbreak just to get rid of the trash as they would say, that would save the Country a lot of money and resource's,

then the rich upper elite could have their one world order.....
I see. It requires a paranoia to follow the reasoning.


well that is an opinion....
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