Wednesday, 07 May 2008
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Overheard Monday night at a Utah business that serves alcoholic beverages:

"Hello, sir, can I get you a drink?"

"Yes, indeed. It's my first trip to Utah, and I wanted to see the sights."

"I hope you're enjoying your visit."

"Oh, it's been wonderful. Of course, I've heard that Utah has some ... uh ... unusual traits. But everything has been great so far."

"I'm glad to hear it. And have you filled out your membership application?"

"My what?"

"This is a private club."

"It sure looks like a bar. So I have to pay to get inside a business so I can spend money? Sounds like getting permission from the hall monitor to visit the bathroom. I've been all over the United States, and there's no place that has rules like this."

"Utah is a little unusual."

"Oh, well. Can I get a good strong drink?"

"Well, stronger, anyway. Until Monday, you could only get a drink with an ounce of liquor in it. People would order what we call a 'sidecar.' That's a shot of liquor in a separate glass along with the regular drink to give it more punch."

"Wait a minute, that's crazy! ... I mean unusual. What difference does it make whether it's in the drink or in a shot glass on the side?"

"Don't make me explain. That's history now. Now you can get a drink with 1.5 ounces of liquor."

"That's still weak where I come from. Can't you splash a little more in?

"Sorry. Here, let me get my book."

"Your bartenders guide?"

"No, it's something more important to Utah bartenders: the Utah Code. Here we go: 'A private club licensee may sell or provide a primary spirituous liquor only in a quantity not to exceed 1.5 ounces per beverage dispensed through a calibrated metered dispensing system approved by the department in accordance with commission rules.' So, no, I can't make you a stronger one. I can only add more liquor if it's 'used as a secondary flavoring ingredient.' See, it's right here in the law."

"OK, now we're getting somewhere. I'd like a Mai Tai."

"Well, if you want. But I can't recommend it."

"Why not?"

"Because the new law says that 'a private club patron may have no more than 2.5 ounces of spirituous liquor at a time before the private club patron.' That makes a Mai Tai pretty darned sweet."

"I might as well go down to the supermarket and get one of those alco-pops."

"You can, but not for long. In the fall, they'll be sold only at a state liquor store."

"A state liquor store? Is that like a state motor vehicle office?"

"Actually, these days the motor vehicle office has more options and better service."

"This is getting too confusing. Just get me a margarita and a shot of tequila as a sidecar. I'm going to need it."

"Sorry, sir. See, it's right here in the law: 'A private club patron may have no more than two spirituous liquor drinks at a time before the private club patron, except that a private club patron may not have two spirituous liquor drinks before the private club patron if one of the spirituous liquor drinks consists only of the primary spirituous liquor for the other spirituous liquor drink.' "

"What does that mean?!"

"A margarita is made with tequila, so you can't have a tequila sidecar. But I CAN serve you a sidecar of schnapps, or bourbon, or anything else with your margarita, just not tequila."

"Good stinking grief!"

"Yeah, that about sums it up."

"Isn't a law that stupid tough on you bartenders."

"Sure is. Now I have to keep track of what each customer is drinking and check it against the Utah Code before I can serve anything else. That's why I'm going to law school. I expect there's going to be a high demand for bartenders with law degrees."

"That's it! I'm out of here!"

"But, sir, your drink!"

"You take it. You need it more than I do!"

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bddefense May 08 2008 00:37:31
All the other quirky laws are not that much an issue... it's that "Private Club" thing that trips everyone out.

The law should be - if you're 21 or over, you can enter a bar or pub.

Soooo simple... yet so far.

I think 14 other states have state run liquor stores - and the 1.5 ounces in a drink... fine... the 2.5 ounce max... kinda stupid but people will live with that much easier that "joining a private club" nonsense.

Getting rid of the Private Club law would do THE MOSTS to normalize Utah's alcohol laws - and would make THE MOST difference to visitors.

The time of the "Private Club" has come and gone - please stop that nonsense.
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Earth Angel
May 08 2008 04:17:14
Blondie wrote:
iceman wrote:
Blondie wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Bizarre and embarrassing.

Utah's Mormon inspired liquor laws FOR ADULTS seem as strange as would be the enacting of laws to govern a minor's access to candy bars, soda or an ice-cream cone.


They have been that way for years.... The attitudes of the state is totally crazy..... The drinking is so entranced in this community, by closet drinkers. They go to Nevada and buy it at cheaper rates.......LOL

Hey Sis...I'll drink to that!
We got a booze run to Vegas coming up...gotta get the party supplies for the heathen party, Y'kno!



Hey Bro
You damn heathens is why I have to stand in line to get a drink......... LOL



There should be a law against having so many alcoholics in one place! I'll call Orrin and see if we can get something like that on the books.

So, what's to stop, say Iceman from ordering a sidecar of tequila and then trade me for my sidecar of vodka? Where there's a will, there's a way.
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Blondie
May 08 2008 06:29:28
Earth Angel wrote:
Blondie wrote:
iceman wrote:
Blondie wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Bizarre and embarrassing.

Utah's Mormon inspired liquor laws FOR ADULTS seem as strange as would be the enacting of laws to govern a minor's access to candy bars, soda or an ice-cream cone.


They have been that way for years.... The attitudes of the state is totally crazy..... The drinking is so entranced in this community, by closet drinkers. They go to Nevada and buy it at cheaper rates.......LOL

Hey Sis...I'll drink to that!
We got a booze run to Vegas coming up...gotta get the party supplies for the heathen party, Y'kno!



Hey Bro
You damn heathens is why I have to stand in line to get a drink......... LOL



There should be a law against having so many alcoholics in one place! I'll call Orrin and see if we can get something like that on the books.

So, what's to stop, say Iceman from ordering a sidecar of tequila and then trade me for my sidecar of vodka? Where there's a will, there's a way.


EA... They will have drink spies soon.........when you are scootin they will lootin......
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Wren May 08 2008 14:00:59
Oh, come on, folks. Nothing in the Constitution prohibits the states from regulating the sale of alcoholic beverage. Many of our southern states have counties that are completely dry.

Let me let you in on a secret from one who has a drink every few months.

It is moral as well as legal as well as ethical for a legislature to follow the majority opinion on this issue.

If you don't like it, ignore it.
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Captain Insight May 08 2008 15:23:22
In response to WREN, it isn't moral and responsible for a legislature to legislate against the minority. The Constitution and the ideals that founded this country were instituted to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. As long as behavior doesn't harm others, then using the majority as an excuse doesn't work. If we listened to the majority, slavery would still exist in the south--would that be moral to you WREN? Utah's strange liquor laws have no rational merit and they serve no purpose. Driving while drunk is a crime, regardless of how one gets drunk, and that is the law that protects the people, not some crazy, complex law that determines pointless things like Utah's current law.
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