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MARIO RUIZ/Daily Herald
Midtown Village on State Street in Orem. The Hale Center Theater Orem is now looking for a new location to build it's new theater after economic slowdown has halted further construction on the Orem development.

Thursday, 08 May 2008
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Holding pattern continues as owner hopes to refinance

Michael Rigert

Though gourmet pizza shop Pizzeria 712 continues to sell more and more pies, it may be the only sign of activity at the seemingly dormant Midtown Village mixed-used project in Orem.

Colton Soelberg, co-owner of the pizzeria housed within Midtown's south tower at 320 S. State St., said his restaurant hasn't seen a business slowdown since Big D Construction halted work on the $100 million-plus project three and a half months ago.

"Things are great for us," he said. "Our business continues to grow each week."

Pizzeria 712's success since it set up in Midtown Village six months ago may be an anomaly.

In March, Larry Myler, the project's owner, said prospective buyers were having a difficult time getting mortgage loans approved for units. At the time, only four (now occupied) of the 79 completed condos in the south tower had been purchased.

But with sales plummeting in recent months, there was no revenue coming in to pay contractor expenses or bank loans, he said. Myler plans to continue work on the development once he has refinanced the project and condo sales have rebounded.

Bill Bell, an Orem city building official, said a Kneaders Bakery franchise, which at one point was planning on moving into the south tower, has never applied for a business permit. A title company that had set up shop in the south tower has since moved out, he said.

And though Hale Center Theater Orem had wanted to have its new theater constructed at Midtown Village in time to debut the new facility with "A Christmas Carol" in December, those plans are in an indefinite holding pattern.

Cody Swenson, a co-owner of Hale Center Theater Orem, said the plug hasn't been pulled on the new theater project, but the work stoppage on the site directly affects them. Plans call for the new theater to be built on the development's southwest corner. There was a ground breaking for the project in November, just prior to the economy beginning to tank.

"We're halted right along with them and waiting for them to get a refinance and get back to work," he said. "At this point, we're still committed to it."

Myler said Wednesday that Midtown's financial situation remains unchanged since early March and that he is still waiting for the refinance to be approved.

He acknowledged that some businesses, including Kneader's Bakery and the Hale Center Theater Orem, may not be able to wait for Midtown Village's delayed construction schedule and may decide to go locate elsewhere.

"We hope they come," Myler said. "'How long is the economy going to stay bad?' is the question."

"We're halted right along with them and waiting for them to get a refinance." Cody Swenson co-owner, Hale Center Theater Orem
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colden May 09 2008 07:14:45
I've been watching Midtown Village for several years now because I was on the fringes of the back-end when things were just getting started and the project was just a great artist's rendering...

It's interesting to see what has happened to what promised to be a very exciting complex. I loved the idea of residential above office space and retail stores and I especially loved the idea of Hale Center Theater having a new location because their plays are always great...anyway

Everyone was excited about the pre-sales. Half the place was "sold" (as in) people wanted the condos and reserved their units early. The Realtors involved were doing their job. They had scale models built, there was a mall space, the tower was built first so they had a class A office space...everything looked like it was going as planned. The value of the units went up along with all of our property values. They were starting (I think) about $220,000 for 1200 sq. ft.

This was 2003...

I wouldn't blame the economy...the blasted project took too long! All those people that wanted the units wanted them in 2004. Businesses have been wanting to lease space for years and planned their businesses around it...EVERYONE WANTED IN, MR. DEVELOPER.

Buyers aren't simply "not getting the financing" I would bet that the APPRAISALS aren't coming in at the price they are asking currently. It's simple...banks won't give loans if appraisers find that the agreed selling price is too high for the market...even if the buyer THINKS it's a good value and wants to buy. It's set up that way to avoid the very thing were seeing now around the country with homeowners mortgaged more than their house is worth. Don't blame the buyers, banks or the economy. THEY ARE PRICED TOO HIGH and no bank will loan the money unless a buyer has a huge down payment or cash. I would bet my dog that the 4 that closed are probably cash buyers.

In real estate, the marketplace creates value...not a developer. And this developer shot himself in the foot by announcing in the Herald a few months ago that only 4 units were financed! When I read that article I really thought he'd gone crazy. I believe that he (with the Herald's help) created the sucking sound you hear in Orem.

I think he could still save the project by keeping his mouth closed, lowering prices to market (even $200 a square foot would be great prices. Regular homes are about $100 sq. ft. including a lot), and give his sales people something to work with. Sell, sell, sell.

I still think it's a great concept and although the north side does look weird with the yellow stucco base on, the south side looks great. The Pizzeria is obviously proving that State Street location is still good for business and with gas prices soaring, I think the idea of being able to hop on an elevator and go out to eat and to a play or drive just a few blocks to the store or the library is especially fantastic.

The developer should put his trust back with his Realtors and give them something to work with. Lower the prices (compensate the existing owners the difference for good will) get the stupid units in the south sold and the VALUE will NATURALLY increase as the project becomes more complete and whole.

Let your ego go and they will come...

IMHO

D.

EDITED:

I found this article just a few months old that says 85% were sold...let's get our terminology straight. Sold is when the money goes from bank to developer...not when a contract is signed. Anyway...I found this quote very interesting and very WRONG!

Link: Orem's Midtown Village Nearly Ready for Residents

Deseret News Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2007
"Nearly 85 percent of the 334 residential units have been sold, with prices ranging from $250,00 to $1.6 million for a sixth-floor penthouse with 4,106 square feet. But isn't that a bit exorbitant? 'As long as people are buying it, it's not overpriced,' Rasmussen said."
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Blog801 May 09 2008 14:19:36
colden wrote:
I've been watching Midtown Village for several years now because I was on the fringes of the back-end when things were just getting started and the project was just a great artist's rendering...

It's interesting to see what has happened to what promised to be a very exciting complex. I loved the idea of residential above office space and retail stores and I especially loved the idea of Hale Center Theater having a new location because their plays are always great...anyway

Everyone was excited about the pre-sales. Half the place was "sold" (as in) people wanted the condos and reserved their units early. The Realtors involved were doing their job. They had scale models built, there was a mall space, the tower was built first so they had a class A office space...everything looked like it was going as planned. The value of the units went up along with all of our property values. They were starting (I think) about $220,000 for 1200 sq. ft.

This was 2003...

I wouldn't blame the economy...the blasted project took too long! All those people that wanted the units wanted them in 2004. Businesses have been wanting to lease space for years and planned their businesses around it...EVERYONE WANTED IN, MR. DEVELOPER.

Buyers aren't simply "not getting the financing" I would bet that the APPRAISALS aren't coming in at the price they are asking currently. It's simple...banks won't give loans if appraisers find that the agreed selling price is too high for the market...even if the buyer THINKS it's a good value and wants to buy. It's set up that way to avoid the very thing were seeing now around the country with homeowners mortgaged more than their house is worth. Don't blame the buyers, banks or the economy. THEY ARE PRICED TOO HIGH and no bank will loan the money unless a buyer has a huge down payment or cash. I would bet my dog that the 4 that closed are probably cash buyers.

In real estate, the marketplace creates value...not a developer. And this developer shot himself in the foot by announcing in the Herald a few months ago that only 4 units were financed! When I read that article I really thought he'd gone crazy. I believe that he (with the Herald's help) created the sucking sound you hear in Orem.

I think he could still save the project by keeping his mouth closed, lowering prices to market (even $200 a square foot would be great prices. Regular homes are about $100 sq. ft. including a lot), and give his sales people something to work with. Sell, sell, sell.

I still think it's a great concept and although the north side does look weird with the yellow stucco base on, the south side looks great. The Pizzeria is obviously proving that State Street location is still good for business and with gas prices soaring, I think the idea of being able to hop on an elevator and go out to eat and to a play or drive just a few blocks to the store or the library is especially fantastic.

The developer should put his trust back with his Realtors and give them something to work with. Lower the prices (compensate the existing owners the difference for good will) get the stupid units in the south sold and the VALUE will NATURALLY increase as the project becomes more complete and whole.

Let your ego go and they will come...

IMHO

D.

EDITED:

I found this article just a few months old that says 85% were sold...let's get our terminology straight. Sold is when the money goes from bank to developer...not when a contract is signed. Anyway...I found this quote very interesting and very WRONG!

Link: Orem's Midtown Village Nearly Ready for Residents

Deseret News Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2007
“Nearly 85 percent of the 334 residential units have been sold, with prices ranging from $250,00 to $1.6 million for a sixth-floor penthouse with 4,106 square feet. But isn't that a bit exorbitant? ‘As long as people are buying it, it's not overpriced,’ Rasmussen said.â€

Wow. Thanks for the intelligent addition to the discussion. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for making the time to inform us. Well done.
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ThomasK May 09 2008 15:55:10
The market place will prevail. The current developer may not survive. Doesn't mean it is going to sit unfinished forever. Current investors will take a bath. New ones will get a deal. Prices will align with the market and people will buy. It happens, every day in America.

That's why I'm not too concerned the mortgage bailout bill that was just vetoed. The over priced, over financed homes will go under. There are plenty of buyers that couldn't afford the overinflated prices waiting for the opportunity to own a home. The market will correct and it will be better in the long run. IMO.
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Sir John the Apostate
May 09 2008 16:35:29
colden wrote:
I've been watching Midtown Village for several years now because I was on the fringes of the back-end when things were just getting started and the project was just a great artist's rendering...

It's interesting to see what has happened to what promised to be a very exciting complex. I loved the idea of residential above office space and retail stores and I especially loved the idea of Hale Center Theater having a new location because their plays are always great...anyway

Everyone was excited about the pre-sales. Half the place was "sold" (as in) people wanted the condos and reserved their units early. The Realtors involved were doing their job. They had scale models built, there was a mall space, the tower was built first so they had a class A office space...everything looked like it was going as planned. The value of the units went up along with all of our property values. They were starting (I think) about $220,000 for 1200 sq. ft.

This was 2003...

I wouldn't blame the economy...the blasted project took too long! All those people that wanted the units wanted them in 2004. Businesses have been wanting to lease space for years and planned their businesses around it...EVERYONE WANTED IN, MR. DEVELOPER.

Buyers aren't simply "not getting the financing" I would bet that the APPRAISALS aren't coming in at the price they are asking currently. It's simple...banks won't give loans if appraisers find that the agreed selling price is too high for the market...even if the buyer THINKS it's a good value and wants to buy. It's set up that way to avoid the very thing were seeing now around the country with homeowners mortgaged more than their house is worth. Don't blame the buyers, banks or the economy. THEY ARE PRICED TOO HIGH and no bank will loan the money unless a buyer has a huge down payment or cash. I would bet my dog that the 4 that closed are probably cash buyers.

In real estate, the marketplace creates value...not a developer. And this developer shot himself in the foot by announcing in the Herald a few months ago that only 4 units were financed! When I read that article I really thought he'd gone crazy. I believe that he (with the Herald's help) created the sucking sound you hear in Orem.

I think he could still save the project by keeping his mouth closed, lowering prices to market (even $200 a square foot would be great prices. Regular homes are about $100 sq. ft. including a lot), and give his sales people something to work with. Sell, sell, sell.

I still think it's a great concept and although the north side does look weird with the yellow stucco base on, the south side looks great. The Pizzeria is obviously proving that State Street location is still good for business and with gas prices soaring, I think the idea of being able to hop on an elevator and go out to eat and to a play or drive just a few blocks to the store or the library is especially fantastic.

The developer should put his trust back with his Realtors and give them something to work with. Lower the prices (compensate the existing owners the difference for good will) get the stupid units in the south sold and the VALUE will NATURALLY increase as the project becomes more complete and whole.

Let your ego go and they will come...

IMHO

D.

EDITED:

I found this article just a few months old that says 85% were sold...let's get our terminology straight. Sold is when the money goes from bank to developer...not when a contract is signed. Anyway...I found this quote very interesting and very WRONG!

Link: Orem's Midtown Village Nearly Ready for Residents

Deseret News Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2007
"Nearly 85 percent of the 334 residential units have been sold, with prices ranging from $250,00 to $1.6 million for a sixth-floor penthouse with 4,106 square feet. But isn't that a bit exorbitant? 'As long as people are buying it, it's not overpriced,' Rasmussen said."


I couldn't agree stronger. You have to adjust prices to what the market will bear. These folks got greedy and priced themselves right out of business.
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Pittakos May 09 2008 16:41:20
Not only greedy but they have tried to push an unrealistic marketing ploy of calling it a resort.
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