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** FILE ** In a 1998 file photo Osama bin Laden speaks to the journalists in Khost, Afghanistan. Bin Laden says in a new message posted Friday May 16, 2008, on a Web site commonly used by al-Qaida, that al-Qaida will continue its holy war against Israel and its allies until it liberates Palestine. The authenticity of the close to 10 minute message could not be verified. (AP Photo/Mazhar Ali Khan/file)

Saturday, 17 May 2008
Osama: Palestinian cause at heart of holy war Print E-mail
Maggie Michael - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS   

CAIRO, Egypt -- Osama bin Laden vowed Friday to fight Israel for the liberation of the Palestinians, claiming their cause is at the heart of al-Qaida's holy war with the West.

The terrorist leader's third statement this year was released to coincide with the Jewish state's 60th anniversary and came out as President Bush was wrapping up his visit to Israel to celebrate the occasion.

"We will continue our struggle against the Israelis and their allies," bin Laden said in a 10-minute audio posted on an Internet site used frequently by al-Qaida. "We are not going to give up an inch of the land of Palestine."

Al-Qaida is increasingly using the Israeli-Arab conflict in its media campaign to rally supporters. Israel has warned of growing al-Qaida activity in Palestinian territory, although the terror network is not believed to have taken a strong role there so far.

Bin Laden said the Palestinian cause is the most important factor driving al-Qaida's war with the West and claimed it was the motivation for the 19 Muslims, most of them Saudi Arabians, who carried out the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S.

"To Western nations ... this speech is to understand the core reason of the war between our civilization and your civilizations. I mean the Palestinian cause," bin Laden said at the conclusion of his message.

"The Palestinian cause is the major issue for my [Islamic] nation. It was an important element in fueling me from the beginning and the 19 others with a great motive to fight for those subjected to injustice and the oppressed," he said.

The authenticity of the message could not be verified, but the voice resembled the one in past bin Laden audios. While there was no indication of when the message was recorded, it referred to Israel's 60th anniversary, which began May 8.

The audio was accompanied by a photo of bin Laden wearing a white robe and turban next to a picture of the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. It was unclear when his picture was taken.

The al-Qaida leader said Western media have tried to brainwash people about Israel over the past 60 years, "portraying the Jewish invaders, the occupiers of our land, as the victims, while it portrayed us as the terrorists."

"Sixty years ago, the Israeli state didn't exist. Instead, it was established on the land of Palestine raped by force," he said. "Israelis are occupying invaders whom we should fight."

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Arye Mekel dismissed bin Laden's message.

"We do not relate or pay attention to the words of this terrorist lunatic," he said. "The time has come for him to be apprehended and pay for his crimes."

Bin Laden is believed to be hiding somewhere in the rugged mountains along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

The al-Qaida chief criticized Western leaders such as Bush who participated in Israel's 60th anniversary celebrations.

Bush feted Israel on Thursday and predicted its 120th birthday would find it alongside a Palestinian state in an all-democratic neighborhood free of today's oppression, restrictions on freedom and extremist Muslim movements.

Bin Laden said Western leaders were insincere in their expressed desire for Israeli-Palestinian peace and failed to criticize Israel.

"Peace talks that started 60 years ago are just meant to deceive the idiots," he said. "After all the destruction and the killings ... your leaders talk about principles. This is unbearable."

The terrorist leader mentioned former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, whose Jewish militia participated in an attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin, near Jerusalem, in 1948.

More than 100 Arabs died in the fighting and other villagers fled. Arabs contend the raid helped sow widespread fear, which they say was a factor in the displacment of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians during the war that created Israel.

"Instead of punishing him [Begin] over his crimes ... he was awarded a Nobel prize," bin Laden said.

Begin shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Egyptian President Anwar Sadat for negotiating a 1979 peace treaty between their countries, Israel's first with an Arab nation.

Bin Laden's message followed an audio released in March in which he lashed out at Palestinian peace negotiations with Israel.

That audio was the first time bin Laden spoke of the Palestinian question at length since the deteriorating situation in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, where the Israeli military has been fighting with militants who fire rockets into southern Israel.

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truthhurts May 18 2008 15:45:28
utocoman wrote:
Won't happen Ray. Did you note the last 3 special elections turned Democrat from longtime Republican't?
Stay with us now Ray, do not drift back to the darkside where Rush/Sean are looking to confuse you.

Ray missed that. He only gets his news from Rush, Anne, and Sean, and they are not telling their listeners about that. Might cause them to have a stroke.

Here it is, emphasis added.

Democrat Wins House Seat in Mississippi
By ADAM NOSSITER

COFFEEVILLE, Miss. - Democrats scored a remarkable upset victory on Tuesday in a special Congressional election in this conservative Southern district, sending a clear signal of national problems ahead for Republicans in the fall.

The Democrat, Travis Childers, a local courthouse official, pulled together a coalition of blacks, who turned out heavily, and old-line "yellow dog" Democrats, to beat his Republican opponent, Greg Davis, the mayor of Southaven, a Memphis suburb. With 99 percent of the precincts reporting, the vote was 54 percent for Mr. Childers to 46 percent for Mr. Davis.

The seat had been in Republican hands since 1995, and the district, largely rural and stretching across the northern top of Mississippi, had been considered one of the safest in the country for President Bush’s party, as he won here with 62 percent of the vote in 2004.

Having lost a similar Congressional race this month in Louisiana, Republicans had worked desperately to win this contest, sending Vice President Dick Cheney to campaign for Mr. Davis, along with Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi and former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas; President Bush and Senator John McCain recorded telephone messages that were sent to voters throughout the district.


Merle Black, a Southern politics expert at Emory University, called a Democratic victory potentially "a huge upset, and an indication of a terrible year ahead for the Republicans." He added, "In theory, this should be an easy win for them."...

..."There are indications that the normal Republican turnout is just not there," Mr. Black said. "If they can't win up there, where are you going to win?"


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/politics/14mississippi.html

Indeed. If the Republicans can't win there, where can they win? Utah excepted, of course.

Yes, the 2008 elections are off to a fine start. The Elephants are 0 for 3.
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Everybody Loves Raymond May 18 2008 16:29:07
utocoman wrote:
Won't happen Ray. Did you note the last 3 special elections turned Democrat from longtime Republican't?
Stay with us now Ray, do not drift back to the darkside where Rush/Sean are looking to confuse you.



So for once in a blue moon a bunch of minorities came out and voted more than whites. So the Dem won one. Is it any wonder with the whole nation's media machine behind the Dems bashing the sucess in the war, drumming up oil prices while talking down the economy. That will all change this November. The REAL Americans will wake up and see what is at stake.
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ericmiami May 18 2008 16:46:32
What makes me think Raymond pronounces that "Murricans?"
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truthhurts May 18 2008 17:14:25
Everybody Loves Raymond wrote:
utocoman wrote:
Won't happen Ray. Did you note the last 3 special elections turned Democrat from longtime Republican't?
Stay with us now Ray, do not drift back to the darkside where Rush/Sean are looking to confuse you.

So for once in a blue moon a bunch of minorities came out and voted more than whites. So the Dem won one.

Actually Ray-boy, it is more than one. It is three, as in THREE OUT OF THREE. You just don't get it, do you? Can't count, either.

Here are some comments from a Republican about this three out of three sweep...in previously Republican districts, no less. I'll bold a couple of things for you, being as have you have trouble reading the writing on the wall and all.

WASHINGTON - Republicans must regain the confidence of Americans and recast their message to voters to avoid a catastrophe in the fall congressional elections, top GOP officials said Wednesday in a stark postmortem of a loss in rural Mississippi.

Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, who runs the committee tasked with helping elect Republicans to Congress, said Tuesday's defeat in Mississippi - after losing GOP seats in other special elections in Illinois and Louisiana - was evidence that "a large section of the American people doesn't have confidence in the Republican Party."

"What we've got right now is a deficiency in our message and a loss of confidence by the American people to do what we say we're going to do," Cole said in a conference call with reporters.

He said, "When you lose three of these in a row, you have to get beyond campaign tactics and take a long hard look: Is there something wrong with your product?"


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-14-gopfallout_N.htm

"Something wrong with your product" is an understatement of galactic proportion. You keep believing things will change by November, though. That delusion will help you make it through the summer.
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utocoman May 18 2008 17:34:15
Everybody Loves Raymond wrote:
utocoman wrote:
Won't happen Ray. Did you note the last 3 special elections turned Democrat from longtime Republican't?
Stay with us now Ray, do not drift back to the darkside where Rush/Sean are looking to confuse you.



So for once in a blue moon a bunch of minorities came out and voted more than whites. So the Dem won one. Is it any wonder with the whole nation's media machine behind the Dems bashing the sucess in the war, drumming up oil prices while talking down the economy. That will all change this November. The REAL Americans will wake up and see what is at stake.


Is there someting wrong with a minority group voting Ray boy? I imagine some of the minority Republican'ts may come out in Novemeber? How about you?
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