Thursday, 05 June 2008
IN OUR VIEW: Time to dump drinking 'clubs' Print E-mail
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Utahns will be interested in the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission's two hearings this month on whether to abolish the private club fee for gaining admittance to a bar. Getting the silly rule abolished is long overdue.

The arguments for ridding Utah of what amounts to a phony "membership" to a phony "private club" have been made often and persuasively. The rules do nothing to prevent overindulgence in alcohol. It's just a game drinkers must play.

 

Utah's tourism and hospitality industries have long complained that the rules dissuade out-of-staters from visiting the state or holding conventions here.

Defenders of the private club rules may have a legitimate point or two -- if you really stretch. But we think that there's a compelling case for reforms.

One argument against change is that there's no groundswell of public support for it. That's no surprise in a state dominated by teetotaling Mormons, and it's certainly no argument for forcing non-Mormons to jump through pointless hoops when all they want to do is engage in a legal activity.

The needs of the tourism and hospitality industries are not trivial; they are legitimate public concerns. These industries employ thousands and together form a mainstay of Utah's economy. It's quite valid for state officials to take those businesses' needs into account.

As for there being no outcry for change, we note that neither has there been an uproar against the proposed reforms. It might even be possible that there is a quiet constituency in Utah in favor of reasonable liquor laws.

A revealing moment in state history came in 1933, when Utah became the 36th state to approve the U.S. Constitution's 21st Amendment -- repeal of prohibition -- thus allowing all Americans to buy alcoholic drinks legally again. Back then the state was more strait-laced than it is now, which leads us to suspect that in 2008 a fair number of Utahns (not necessarily Mormons) will be silently glad if they can just stop at a bar for a drink using only a driver's license for identification.

As for contemporary proof of this idea, note that Gov. Jon Huntsman has long pushed for the changes. Huntsman is a canny and popular politician, and we don't think he'd be putting his conservative reputation on the line if he wasn't sure he had a lot of voters behind him.

Defenders of the status quo may argue that the laws serve useful functions by putting added barriers to teenage drinking, by discouraging bar-hopping, and by making DUI laws easier to enforce. They argue that the so-called "club memberships" can help provide evidence about who was drinking where.

They reject the argument that the club rule makes Utah look odd -- in fact, they like being out of step with America. They say Utah should be proud of its unique culture, and that its non-drinking majority should not have to pick up the costs for the effects of alcohol abuse.

All this holds little water. Education and interdiction are far more important in preventing the abuse of alcohol than Utah's private club laws. The state should focus its efforts on what will really keep people from drinking too much. Filling out a form won't accomplish that.

Utah can be proud of its culture. It has so many strong, positive elements that it's impossible to believe that giving adults a normal path to a legal drink will overthrow Zion. They're already drinking, after all. The club card system doesn't prevent a single drop of alcohol from getting into somebody's bloodstream. Drinking is a legal activity.

It should be noted that the commission's conclusion is only a recommendation to the Legislature. If lawmakers were to end or ease the private club law, they likely would counterbalance that by stepping up efforts to prevent alcohol abuse. That makes sense.

• The hearings are scheduled for 10 a.m. on June 11 and 6 p.m. on June 17 at the administrative office of the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control, 1625 S. 900 West, Salt Lake City.

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Freethinker Jun 05 2008 21:59:18
NOOOOO say it isn't so! I need the government to be my own personal baby sitter! I can't think for myself. I may decide to go "bar hopping" and I'll drink and drive! The government can't let me get into a car after I've been drinking! They must stop me! Maybe they should ban booze all together? No, ban cars, I might kill someone!

I also need the government to regulate the alcohol content of the beer I buy at the grocery store! Or the alcohol content of my drink! I might do something unthinkable, like getting drunk! Please government, tell me what to do! Save me from myself! While your at it, tell me I can't get buy a car on Sunday, or get married to another man (if I'm a man, or woman if I'm a woman), please... Tell me what to do, I can't think for myself!
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iceman Jun 06 2008 01:37:52
The Keeper wrote:
This thread discusses the Content article: IN OUR VIEW: Time to dump drinking 'clubs'

One argument against change is that there's no groundswell of public support for it. That's no surprise in a state dominated by teetotaling Mormons, and it's certainly no argument for forcing non-Mormons to jump through pointless hoops when all they want to do is engage in a legal activity.

That's right! Non-Mormons can just go get prescriptions for feel-good fluoride-based anti-depressant drugs just like those "teetotaling Mormons" do.


I'll drink to that! Cheers!
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Jaye Jun 06 2008 19:04:49
ThomasK wrote:
I don't drink, and I agree with this article. "Clubs" are not only silly, they're stupid.

I don't drink either Thomas, but I'll say this much.

Years ago, before I was married, I was a shift worker. I usually ended up working a lot of double shifts.

By the time these shifts were over...my LDS friends were all asleep.

Often I would walk down to the local community tavern and sit down for Pizza and a few rounds of Pepsi or Dr.Pepper and enjoy some comaraderie, conversation, and dancing, or play a few rounds of pool or airhockey (etc.) for a couple of hours until the tavern closed.

I was grateful that I had somewhere to go.
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Marylb Jun 09 2008 18:08:59
The most compelling case this article makes is that of drawing conventions and out of state visitors. Most people drink responsibly and in those states where people are able to go out with friends and visit a few hot spots as a norm, most, if not all make sure they have a sober driver or take a cab. In California going to a couple of clubs is social interaction with people they know so it is more in line with the category of entertainment. My question is this: Are Utah residents able to make this change with an awareness that you cannot drink and drive? I suspect the answer is it depends on if DUI is a problem now while the private clubs are the norm for Utah. If Utah has a problem now, they need to educate the drinking public and catch up with other states because obviously club or no club, drinking would be the same issue. If Utah has no DUI problem, this change will not harm them as the sound practice of not driving drunk is already practiced by the public.

As a single California girl back in the day there is no way I would go to a club with friends and get drunk off my bum and my friends all took cabs or arranged rides ahead of time. I was occasionally the DD. That was the norm for most. Hopefully it is the norm here in Utah.
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ThomasK Jun 09 2008 19:02:55
Jaye wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
I don't drink, and I agree with this article. "Clubs" are not only silly, they're stupid.

I don't drink either Thomas, but I'll say this much.

Years ago, before I was married, I was a shift worker. I usually ended up working a lot of double shifts.

By the time these shifts were over...my LDS friends were all asleep.

Often I would walk down to the local community tavern and sit down for Pizza and a few rounds of Pepsi or Dr.Pepper and enjoy some comaraderie, conversation, and dancing, or play a few rounds of pool or airhockey (etc.) for a couple of hours until the tavern closed.

I was grateful that I had somewhere to go.


I'm not opposed to clubs, per say. (Not even gay clubs, but that's another story.) It's Utah's "clubs" I have issues with. It has been a long time since I've been to one. I remember going to a couple years ago with friends. You had to pay for a club membership to gey in. I believe you could get a 3-day membership for one price, or a year membership for another. They didn't ask for any personal information, just the money. It was basically a coverage charge to enter. Ay lease this is my understanding how they work.

How this was suppose to help, curb, keep track of ,or anything else concerning a person's drinking is beyond me. I think it just helps perpetuate misunderstandings about Utah to visitors. And does nothing towards the problems of drinking and driving.


When I first moved here, I went into a "bar" that wasn't a club. They could only sell beer and setups. You had to bring your own booze. The tables were full of liquor bottles. I thought that Utah had the "loosest" liquor laws in the country. I had never seen anything like it before.
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