Friday, 20 June 2008
Teens: Payson councilman's attack unprovoked Print E-mail
Jeremy Duda - DAILY HERALD   

A Payson city councilman says he confronted two teens who were tagging his truck, but Ali Ludlow and Cody Baumann say there were standing in the shade on the side of a building in Payson last month when someone grabbed their necks from behind and attacked them.

"There was no graffiti around at all," Ludlow said.

Baumann added, "Honestly, all we were doing was just sitting."

Councilman Scott Phillips was charged Monday with two counts of simple assault, a class B misdemeanor, and no charges have been filed against Ludlow, 18, or Baumann, 19.

"No charges were filed because there was no damage to support a charge," Salem city prosecutor Christine Johnson said. Salem authorities are handling the case to avoid any potential conflicts of interest within Payson. "There was no damage done to anything, and so no charges were filed."

Phillips now says he and the people he was with that day made Ludlow and Baumann clean the graffiti from the building, the ground and his truck before police arrived. The two teens called the police afterward, he said.

The teens were using a marker or "marker tape," not spraypaint, Phillips said. The councilman was not sure how they removed the graffiti.

"They peeled it off somehow. I don't know how they got it off. They got it off somehow," he said. "I know what I saw and it was graffiti markings and it was some kind of a gang sign on the ground, on the building."

Ludlow said he and Baumann have never done any tagging in their lives. He said he had a small piece of tape, no bigger than a nickel, that he was sticking to things and peeling off while they waited for Baumann's sister to pick them up. But he was not putting up any graffiti, he said.

"There was no damage at all," Ludlow said.

"You'd think if we were vandalizing, he would've just called the police," Baumann said.

After Phillips grabbed them, the teens said he was trying to knock their heads together and push them to the ground. Baumann said Phillips pushed him face-first into a trailer on his truck and punched him three times in the back.

The teens said Phillips and his friends yelled at them, calling them hoodlums, saying they were worthless and telling them to "Get out of my city," Ludlow said. They said Phillips continually used racial slurs against Ludlow, who is black. Ludlow said Phillips took numerous swings at him but didn't connect on any punches.

"He was being pretty racist about the whole thing," Baumann said. "He was, like, actually targeting Ali more than he was me."

Ludlow said he told Phillips that he was only 17 years old in an attempt to defuse the situation.

"I told him I was 17, even though I wasn't. If I told him I was a minor I didn't think he would hit a minor," Ludlow said. "And then after I told him I was a minor he started swearing. He said, 'I don't care if you're a minor. The only way you're going to be safe is if you call the cops.' "

Once the incident ended, the teens said they called the police on Baumann's cell phone. When Phillips saw them talking to the police on the phone, they said, he left the scene.

"He just took off on his four-wheeler and left his truck behind," Ludlow said.

"I told them to [call the police]. I think maybe they said, 'We'll call the police,' and I said, 'Well call the police then,' and I went about my business and went back to work," Phillips said.

Phillips said he did not punch anyone and did not use any racial slurs. He did not have his fists clenched during the incident, he said. He just wanted them to not vandalize his truck and to clean up the graffiti.

"From where I stood up in the window, I know what I saw," he said. "If that was my kid I hope somebody would do the same."

Phillips has served on the Payson City Council for about two and a half years.


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Panama Jun 21 2008 16:58:53
Just Reading wrote:
gdavis wrote:
This is a really interesting situation.

I can tell you this much; since the late 90's stemming from the 10th Circuit Federal appeals court, Utah's vandalism statutes need to have "real damage" to be enforced. This all stems from a case in North Salt Lake City where a guy sprayed ketchup on other peoples doors in his trailer park. Needless to say the cops thumped him and a suit went all the way to the Court of Appeals. I was a new deputy at the time and my training officer was involved and he was sweating bullets for months over the issue.

The real pickle is; the "breach of peace" that occurred when the councilman lost his cool and put his hands on the "victims". Looks like this guy is going to deserve what he gets and hopefully its in accordance with other sentences the justice court has handed down for multiple assault charges and disorderly conduct. He's lucky he's not facing a felony unlawful detention charge!


Well Officer Davis, maybe you should do your job, then maybe less law abiding citizens would lose their cool and have to do it for you!!


See how stupid that was?? you blaming the real victim in this is as stupid as someone blaming Police Officers for this,

It's just to bad no one is blaming the two teenagers for their crimes......


Mr smart guy....OMG..Cops rely on evidence to do anything.....how can the cops do anything to the "vandals" if there is no evidence? Please tell me I would love to know your answer! You cant start pushing yourself around on someone that is standing next to your truck. So far I have not even heard anything saying that Mr. Phillips called the cops at all. Don't you think thats kinda fishy. If someone was tagging my vehicle, especially in a state where cops love to bust real vandals, I would call the cops before I even approach the individuals. I would at least have cell phone pictures to show the cops. But he had no evidence supporting his claims...none....nada...nothing....zero...zilch...catch my drift?
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Panama Jun 21 2008 17:03:11
Just Reading...I decided to give yourself one final chance to prove to me that your ignorance level wasn't truly below average....You let me down!

Without ANY evidence there is no crime. You must always remember that.

P.S. I don't charge for this lesson. Gees
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Jaye Jun 21 2008 21:21:02
Panama wrote:
Just Reading...I decided to give yourself one final chance to prove to me that your ignorance level wasn't truly below average....You let me down!

Without ANY evidence there is no crime. You must always remember that.

P.S. I don't charge for this lesson. Gees


"Without ANY evidence there is no crime. You must always remember that."

Do the youths in question have any evidence to prove that Scott Phillips did or said anything they claimed he did?

Do they have any evidential bruises, scratches or marks on their bodies to prove that Mr.Phillips shoved the one kid face first into the trailer attached to his truck, and then punched him several times in the back?

Can they prove their claims that he used racist slang terms toward the black youth?

So where is their evidence?
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Just Reading
Jun 22 2008 04:38:17
Panama wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
gdavis wrote:
This is a really interesting situation.

I can tell you this much; since the late 90's stemming from the 10th Circuit Federal appeals court, Utah's vandalism statutes need to have "real damage" to be enforced. This all stems from a case in North Salt Lake City where a guy sprayed ketchup on other peoples doors in his trailer park. Needless to say the cops thumped him and a suit went all the way to the Court of Appeals. I was a new deputy at the time and my training officer was involved and he was sweating bullets for months over the issue.

The real pickle is; the "breach of peace" that occurred when the councilman lost his cool and put his hands on the "victims". Looks like this guy is going to deserve what he gets and hopefully its in accordance with other sentences the justice court has handed down for multiple assault charges and disorderly conduct. He's lucky he's not facing a felony unlawful detention charge!


Well Officer Davis, maybe you should do your job, then maybe less law abiding citizens would lose their cool and have to do it for you!!


See how stupid that was?? you blaming the real victim in this is as stupid as someone blaming Police Officers for this,

It's just to bad no one is blaming the two teenagers for their crimes......


Mr smart guy....OMG..Cops rely on evidence to do anything.....how can the cops do anything to the "vandals" if there is no evidence? Please tell me I would love to know your answer! You cant start pushing yourself around on someone that is standing next to your truck. So far I have not even heard anything saying that Mr. Phillips called the cops at all. Don't you think thats kinda fishy. If someone was tagging my vehicle, especially in a state where cops love to bust real vandals, I would call the cops before I even approach the individuals. I would at least have cell phone pictures to show the cops. But he had no evidence supporting his claims...none....nada...nothing....zero...zilch...catch my drift?


Well Mr Immature guy... Tell us what evidence do the teens have for their story...???
no evidence supporting the teens claims...none....nada...nothing....zero...zilch...catch my drift?

last year a kid from down my block egged my house, I caught him, he cleaned it up, no cops were needed to be called...
I don't think you have to call the cops for every little thing, kids will be kids, no matter what uptight Utahuns think, every little thing here seem to be a 911 emergency with everyone geez

P.S. I still have the video of the kid egging my house...
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Panama Jun 22 2008 08:33:17
Just Reading wrote:
Panama wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
gdavis wrote:
This is a really interesting situation.

I can tell you this much; since the late 90's stemming from the 10th Circuit Federal appeals court, Utah's vandalism statutes need to have "real damage" to be enforced. This all stems from a case in North Salt Lake City where a guy sprayed ketchup on other peoples doors in his trailer park. Needless to say the cops thumped him and a suit went all the way to the Court of Appeals. I was a new deputy at the time and my training officer was involved and he was sweating bullets for months over the issue.

The real pickle is; the "breach of peace" that occurred when the councilman lost his cool and put his hands on the "victims". Looks like this guy is going to deserve what he gets and hopefully its in accordance with other sentences the justice court has handed down for multiple assault charges and disorderly conduct. He's lucky he's not facing a felony unlawful detention charge!


Well Officer Davis, maybe you should do your job, then maybe less law abiding citizens would lose their cool and have to do it for you!!


See how stupid that was?? you blaming the real victim in this is as stupid as someone blaming Police Officers for this,

It's just to bad no one is blaming the two teenagers for their crimes......


Mr smart guy....OMG..Cops rely on evidence to do anything.....how can the cops do anything to the "vandals" if there is no evidence? Please tell me I would love to know your answer! You cant start pushing yourself around on someone that is standing next to your truck. So far I have not even heard anything saying that Mr. Phillips called the cops at all. Don't you think thats kinda fishy. If someone was tagging my vehicle, especially in a state where cops love to bust real vandals, I would call the cops before I even approach the individuals. I would at least have cell phone pictures to show the cops. But he had no evidence supporting his claims...none....nada...nothing....zero...zilch...catch my drift?


Well Mr Immature guy... Tell us what evidence do the teens have for their story...???
no evidence supporting the teens claims...none....nada...nothing....zero...zilch...catch my drift?

last year a kid from down my block egged my house, I caught him, he cleaned it up, no cops were needed to be called...
I don't think you have to call the cops for every little thing, kids will be kids, no matter what uptight Utahuns think, every little thing here seem to be a 911 emergency with everyone geez

P.S. I still have the video of the kid egging my
house...


Thank you for making my point for me thanks to your egg story. You mean to tell me you didnt lay your hands on him. Wow what a novel Idea. Mr. Phillips did admitt to putting his hands on the teens AS THEY HAD ACCUSED HIM OF. So I will enter into evidence confession of charged party. Which is way more to support teens case than the distinguished councilman's.

Your previous egg incident may have clouded your judgement. My money says your biased. Do you need me to break it down in bullet points for you?

-Teens accuse Mr. Phillips of grabbing by the neck and pushing them around. He admits to doing that. Score one for the teens.

-Previous poster acknowledged witnessing part or all of the incident and claimed to see only the councilman yelling and laying hands on the teens. Score one more for the teens.

-Teens claimed to have told Mr. Phillips they were gonna call the cops which by all accounts they did. Mr. Phillips decides he has to go back to work. (conveniently) After realizing he may get in trouble for his actions. Score half point for the teens.

-What we have to sort out for ourselves is: Would it be more believable if the kids called the cops after they cleaned up the "invisible marker" or after they were given the business by the councilman? HMMMMM Score one more for the teens.

Let it also be known that you dont have to leave marks on someone to assault them. Again....no charge for the lesson. Especially if the accused admits to doing it...duh

Now Im imature for pointing out that the biased eggee has sympothy for another potential "invisible marker" victim.

The cop who posted on here earlier was absolutely correct.
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