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Nancy Zuckerbrod and Trevor Tompson - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS   

WASHINGTON -- More math, please.

A large majority of Americans think schools are placing too much emphasis on the wrong subjects, and more than half think they're doing just a fair job in preparing children for the work force or giving them the practical skills they need to survive as adults, according to an Associated Press poll released Friday.

So what do people think the schools should focus on?

More than a third said math. English was a distant second, at 21 percent. A tiny fraction picked art, music and the sciences, such as biology and chemistry.

"I don't think math is getting nearly enough attention," said Larry Michalec of San Diego, who has a grown daughter. "When was the last time you added up something without a calculator?"

Parents may want more math in school because they feel unprepared to help at home, said Janine Remillard, who teaches math-related courses at the University of Pennsylvania's education school.

"Math is the subject that parents are often intimidated by," she said. "We've allowed a lot of kids to just say, 'I'm not good at math,' ... and those kids become parents."

The economy and gas prices are the most important issues facing the country, according to those surveyed. Education was rated after those issues, generally viewed to be as important as health care. It was rated slightly ahead of the Iraq war. Among minority parents, education is just as important an issue as the economy.

Minorities and whites rate schools differently. Fifty-nine percent of whites rate their local school as good or excellent, compared with 42 percent of minorities.

Minority parents are more likely to think their children are getting a better education than they received as children. Overall, the majority of those surveyed said the quality of U.S. schools has declined over the past 20 years.

Most think the United States is just keeping up or falling behind the rest of the world in education. On some recent international tests, U.S. students have posted flat scores and landed in the middle to bottom of the pack when compared with other nation's children.

Nearly all those surveyed say the quality of a country's education system has a big impact on a country's overall economic prosperity.

Americans have mixed views about standardized tests, which have grown in importance in recent years. The 2002 federal No Child Left Behind law judges schools based on math and reading tests taken by their students. Schools face increasingly tough consequences for scores that miss the mark.

About half of those polled said standardized tests measure the quality of education offered by schools well, while the rest disagree.

The vast majority think classroom work and homework -- not standardized tests -- are the best ways to measure how well students are doing.

"I think the time spent doing all those exams could be better spent in additional class time," said Jamie Norton of Gridley, Calif., a dad to 5-year-old twins.

School districts are increasingly tying student performance to teacher pay. Americans seem to support that trend. Sixty percent said the amount of pay teachers receive should be based at least in part on the performance of their students.

The AP survey of 833 adults and 854 parents of school-aged children was conducted June 18-23 and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points for each sample.

The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews.

People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.

The research was financially supported by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. The Associated Press had sole editorial responsibility for the design of the survey questionnaire and the analysis of the survey results.


• Associated Press writer Christine Simmons contributed to this report.

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WaynesWorld Jun 28 2008 15:52:26
This thread discusses the Content article: Poll: Americans dissatisfied with education

Americans dissatisfied with education

is there anything we are satisfied with?
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Betzz
Jun 28 2008 15:56:46
WaynesWorld wrote:
This thread discusses the Content article: Poll: Americans dissatisfied with education

Americans dissatisfied with education

is there anything we are satisfied with?


I'm satisfied with more than I'm dissatisfied with . . . but that's just me. Why bitch about things that I can't really control.
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joeschmoe Jun 28 2008 16:00:06
Seriously what is the fascination with math?

There will be some that need to learn higher level math but not everyone needs to.

When was the last time you used the Calculus you had to learn.

Never unless you work as an engineer.

After learning to add, subtract, multiply and divide, what is left?

Sure you can argue it teaches reasoning and higher level thinking but I'd rather learn higher level thinking that will actually be used for something.

The old question of "why do we need to learn this" is still valid.
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WaynesWorld Jun 28 2008 17:19:35
Betzz wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
This thread discusses the Content article: Poll: Americans dissatisfied with education

Americans dissatisfied with education

is there anything we are satisfied with?


I'm satisfied with more than I'm dissatisfied with . . . but that's just me. Why bitch about things that I can't really control.

Yesterday afternoon, I was telling one of my friends, "You know, I kinda' feel guilty. We've got this war going on and gas prices are up... floods, earthquakes and, you know, I feel as good as I have felt for a number of years." Thoughts of our soldiers in Iraq and our local police officers then came to my mind, and I mentally felt appreciative.

She said, "It is pretty today".


Then I realized something: I've made an effort to avoid watching CNN and other news channels for about 2 years now, the consequense of having a "reaction" to misinformation we were told during the early part of the Iraqi war. As a result, I got myself in a little trouble with the law - pretty minor, a misdomeanor offense. (it was civil unrest - public disturbance basically).

Anyway, I decided then (and it was suggested to me by a college professor) to limit watching television news... he said to get some rabbit-ears for the antennae, only watch local stations and news.

I've pretty much quit watching TV news altogether; I get by far the majority of my news from print, both Internet and newspapers.

And, I really believe that is why I seem to have a sort of peace that a lot of others don't seem to have and one I haven't had for ... well I don't remember when.

It hit me...the people don't have to watch bombs going off, the people don't have to hear what countries are developing nuclear weapons... the people don't have to believe the American President is bad because he doesn't have the talent of a movie-star actor.
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We have the obligation, imo, to vote; to first educate ourselves on the issues; but TV is only one avenue to do that, and it is probably a very poor one at that.


Is ignorance really bliss? I don't know. But I do find much virtue in this version of the serenity prayer:

Grant me the serenity to cope with the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Have a great day, Betzz!
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WaynesWorld Jun 28 2008 17:33:12
joeschmoe wrote:
Seriously what is the fascination with math?

There will be some that need to learn higher level math but not everyone needs to.

When was the last time you used the Calculus you had to learn.

Never unless you work as an engineer.

After learning to add, subtract, multiply and divide, what is left?

Sure you can argue it teaches reasoning and higher level thinking but I'd rather learn higher level thinking that will actually be used for something.

The old question of "why do we need to learn this" is still valid.
People can become overly superstitious without mathematics. People can get strange ideas like we didn't set foot on the moon in 1969, or pictures from Mars are made up. They don't understand lotteries, gambling, statistics, computers ... this can lead to fear, discord and the conspiracy minded.

I hear you, however. I believe I understand your angle on the issue. Before math, my wish is that kids get plenty of physical exercise, that they learn to have fun again, physically, with dances, baseball games, skating and the like ...that they learn how to take care of themselves.

I also wish they'd be taught HOW to manage their finances at an impressionable age - interest, annuities, savings, investments.

The results of math exercises give a person "headspace". "Headspace" to imagine, to reason, to find law and order. I have come to love math, trig, calculus, statistics, etc. and value the education that was graced to me in that area.
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