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A recent Herald Poll asked readers whether ordinary people should get some legal protection if they make a citizens arrest. Among the responses:

I wholly support the Constitutional tradition of citizens arrest. Evil triumphs when good people do nothing. I support our local police but too often they can't be Johnny-on-the-spot.

• Orson Herman,

Cedar Hills

I believe the Utah Legislature should enact a "Good Citizen Act" to give good-intentioned people immunity if they take reasonable action to stop a major crime. However, it should be narrow in scope and only applicable in cases where human life is threatened or where a felonious action such as a bank robbery is attempted. It wouldn't cover frivolous claims such as jaywalking nor reward petty snitches who throw their weight around as bullies, nor excuse mentally-imbalanced people bent on a "hero complex."

• James A. Marples,

Provo

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lucid_green Jul 15 2008 18:26:50
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It should allow for protection but it should also require an investigation as to whether the citizen react responsibly so as to promote education in these circumstances. Sometimes people act and end up not doing the right thing, but it's not their fault if they didn't know better.

Also, it should not apply to traffic violations.
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The Keeper Jul 15 2008 18:29:51
lucid_green wrote:
This thread discusses the Content article: HERALD POLL

It should allow for protection but it should also require an investigation as to whether the citizen react responsibly so as to promote education in these circumstances. Sometimes people act and end up not doing the right thing, but it's not their fault if they didn't know better.

Also, it should not apply to traffic violations.


It is their fault if they don't hold the "public fool system" of education responsible!
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wallstreet08 Jul 29 2008 18:27:40
Let's get real

We do not have the funds.

By the time the funds MAY come available we could have built three roads.


Let's think ahead. Las Vegas with their developing years put the infastructure first then the developing followed.

Let's build a tunnel HMNNNN

Which will last when the earthquake hits and the Deer Creek dam breaks.


The water from the Dam will take 30-40 minutes to hit the Provo Riverbottoms then proceed to Utah Lake.
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James
Aug 20 2008 16:26:19
Ronald,

Thank you again for meeting with Shanna Zarbock, Nancy Escobar, David Hamblin PhD, Linda Mooney and me, who are all Authorized Participants of Oklevueha Native American Church (Also known as the Lakota Sioux Nation Native American Church, Wounded Knee of South Dakota), last Friday. We appreciate your time as you listened to us talk about the consequences of the illegal activities perpetrated upon Oklevueha Native American Church by the State of Utah and the United States Attorney General's Salt Lake City office. These activities have had a negative effect upon the citizens of Utah in many different areas, primarily a diminished public confidence in our judicial system. I pray all United States Senators and House of Representatives will take the necessary steps to remedy this easily solvable issue immediately.

We want nothing more than to have all of our Sacred Sacrament (15,000 Peyote Buttons) returned to us or $7,500 to reimburse our Sacrament supplies immediately. We have exercised patience for more than 4 years. To have some of our Sacrament returned to us and not the bulk of it is bewildering to us, to say the least. For more than two years U.S. Attorney Steve Killpack and his office (Utah Federal Defenders Office) have exercised a respectful campaign to get U.S. Attorney Richard Lambert to abide by the law to no avail.

U.S. Attorney Richard Lambert set three dates where he promised to return our Sacrament, and he reneged on all of them. Finally last month he informed Steve Killpack that he has no intention of returning our Sacrament due to "health reasons". We as a church find the actions of the U.S. Attorney Richard Lambert appalling.

The illegal intrusion of Oklevueha Native American Church was first begun by Utah County Attorney Kay Bryson over 7 years ago. At that time public opinion was against the Native American Church, in large part due to the slanderous campaign orchestrated by the Utah County Attorney Kay Bryson and Attorney General Mark Shurtleff.

From the recent Poll conducted by the Daily Herald it is becoming obvious that public opinion has shifted. The results of the pool asking "Should federal authorities return confiscated peyote to a Utah County Man?, (http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/276071/57/, showed that 59 percent agreed that "Federal authorities ought to return peyote that was seized from an American Indian church In Utah County and stop trying to deliver their own brand of justice outside the 'court system') There were a total of 390 responses to the poll. Some of the responses included the following:

August 9, 2008
Dear Friends and Family, some of you know James Mooney…some don't. He is a medicine man here in Utah who has been at the forefront of trying to obtain religious freedom and the right to use plant medicines as sacrament for all US citizens, regardless of race or ethnic heritage. He WON his Utah State Supreme Court case, and then was immediately indicted by the federal government. The feds DROPPED their case against him when it became apparent that their case was not constitutionally valid…yet the victories are hollow as long as the sacrament is not returned to James for use in ceremony. There have been at least 3 deadlines for returning sacrament that have come and gone as the prosecuting attorney's office has invented excuses to not comply with the law (the most recent excuse was the use of peyote is a 'health risk') James has tirelessly worked to push the government to honor their commitments and the outcomes of the court battles, and FINALLY, others have taken up the banner. Here is an opportunity for you to participate in a newspaper poll demanding return of the sacred peyote to the Oklevueha Earth Walks Native American Church, which James directs. I encourage you to add your name to the petition in support of James's good work and to pass on this e-mail message to all those you know who feel similarly compelled to support this good brother in his service. Bonnie Glass-Coffin PhD., Logan Utah
August 12, 2008
It is un-American to deny freedom of practice to some religions and bestow it on others. The Mooney's proved sacramental use of peyote to be legal. They did so through the court system at great emotional and financial cost to themselves and their family over YEARS. Their case is a landmark case. Not returning the Peyote to the Mooney's would be shameful. Not returning the peyote would be a stain on the U.S. Constitution and on our court system as a whole. GIVE THE PEYOTE BACK. Either we are what we claim to be, a land of justice and respect for plurality in religious practices, or we are a joke. Don't let the United States of America be a JOKE. Lisa Robesch, San Francisco, CA
August 17, 2008There's no way this is fair, I feel that this is such an injustice to the Native Americans. They have had so much taken from them. Yet they move forward. Don't let them also lose this substance that has been part of their ceremonies for decades. Give this back! Stand up and show you respect their ways and religion, after all this great country was built on the fact of religious freedom. Jody Hastey, Tooele, Utah

Our prayer is that through our solicitation of the United States Senators and House of Representatives Oklevueha NAC will see the United States Attorney General's Office of Salt Lake City abide by the very laws that it has taken a solemn oath to uphold. It is our prayer that our Sacred Sacrament is returned or that we receive$7,500.00 to replace it. This will put the issue behind us so that we can continue to worship the Great Spirit in the manner we have chosen to do and assist in the healing of the ones that seek us out.

We pray that you have watched "Chasing a Good Day to Die" and have passed it on to Senator Orrin Hatch. Oklevueha Native American Church is committed to growth through attraction of service rather than active proselytizing for membership. We are strictly a spiritual organization that serves individuals and the wider community, and makes absolutely no claims about being in authority or having the ability to conduct saving ordinances. We simply conduct ancient and traditional American Native Ceremonies which assist human beings in healing themselves by providing an environment where participants can be in direct contact with their Great Spirit.

We seek nothing more than what all other religions receive in the United States of America.
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