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Springville to ban tobacco in parks, playgrounds Print E-mail
Janice Peterson - DAILY HERALD   

Springville City joined other Utah cities this week in banning tobacco use in its public parks and playground areas.

City Attorney John Penrod said the city moved quickly to enact the ordinance after a presentation from the Utah County Health Department in June. The anti-smoking measure prohibits smoking in public parks, within 25 feet of bus stops and within 50 feet of mass gatherings

The council chose to model its law after Salt Lake City's ordinance, with more lenient penalties. "Instead of there being a huge fine, it's a $25 fine, and also they gave police officers discretion to give a warning," he said.

Penrod said a violation will be an infraction instead of a Class B misdemeanor, which most of the cities' laws require. The measure was brought before the council by the health department's Tobacco Prevention and Control division.

Similar presentations have been made to various cities in the state in an effort to have uniform prevention codes limiting secondhand smoke exposure, said Jen Tischler, health educator for Tobacco Prevention and Control.

Tischler said the movement began with a survey taken a year ago, asking smokers, non-smokers and former smokers what kind of smoking ordinance they would support. More than 5,000 surveys were collected, as well as 5,500 signatures on petitions from people favoring tobacco control.

Of the 5,112 surveyed, 96 percent favored some kind of policy change concerning tobacco use, Tischler said. Those surveyed represent the full spectrum of Utah County residents, and Tischler said researchers wanted an accurate cross section to include smokers in the study.

Featuring a higher percentage of smokers than currently exist in Utah County, 7 percent of the responses came from smokers and 7 percent came from former smokers.

"We really feel like we captured the population," she said.

Tischler said she felt it was important to have smokers' opinions because she did not want to violate the rights of the smoker. She works with tobacco users and said she did not want anyone to feel targeted, but the health of the public was a major concern.

"Honestly, people have a right to breath clean air that isn't going to give them cancer," she said.

Tischler said the responses of smokers was a surprise in the survey. More than 50 percent favored restricting tobacco use to a certain area, while 14 percent said all tobacco should be banned and 15 percent said cigarette use should be prohibited. The survey represented 1 percent of the county's population, while Tischler said the Center for Disease Control and Prevention generally only surveys .01 percent.

"We feel like we've really done our homework on this," she said.

Tischler is also the coordinator of Outrage, an anti-tobacco youth group. Springville members of the group participated in the presentation before their City Council.

Zach Gillen, 15, said he was first drawn to Outrage by a friend who had attended meetings. Gillen said his father had quit smoking, and he wanted to see fewer people hurt from secondhand smoke. He was surprised at what he didn't know about the danger.

"I learned a lot more in Outrage than in my health class about secondhand smoke," he said.

Gillen said he was happy to be able to talk to the City Council about the smoking ordinance. The ordinance can help protect children's health and reduce the influence of the smoking image as well.

"I've kind of felt like I've done something and helped out the kids a bit," he said.

In Utah County, the city of Orem is also considering an ordinance against smoking. The law, which will be discussed at Tuesday's council meeting, would prohibit smoking on city property and at mass gatherings of 25 people or more. City manager Jim Reams said the City Council has shown a lot of interest in examining smoking and other health issues.

"We're always interested in examining issues that affect residents," he said.

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Jaye Jul 15 2008 18:13:34
Dubbs wrote:
Blondie wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[bTell me...do you think that your public display of affection in that theater would be condoned by the Church?



I have never seen the church say that's wrong, I would imagine kissing is ok amongst married people.


Then SAY you were KISSING in the theater.

You said you were 'making out'. That opens a whole NEW set of possibilities.

What do you consider to be 'making out'?



What do I consider making out? Lots of kissing


Interesting. And you called KitKat a bore.


One reason I have not been to a theater in years is the couples, thinking no one sees their in your face "making out" , people with foul mouths, and the always kids crying, jumping up and down in the seats and general poor theater etiquette. I always found the overlook or some place secluded better for a romantic interlude...



Oh geez, I doubt it happens that often, we go almost weekly and have never had kids crying, couples making out in our face. If kids are crying most take them out right away. Most theators have people who will come and remind some to keep quiet if you need them to.


To not go anymore over those things is only hurting yourself. It doens't happen that often, in fact I can't remember the last time it happened.


Dubbs said..."Oh geez, I doubt it happens that often, we go almost weekly and have never had kids crying, couples making out in our face."

To which Jaye replies...Well lucky you. But since you just claimed to have 'made out with your wife' in the theater...I suppose that puts the lie to your claim for those who sat anywhere near the two of you.

Dubbs said..."Most theators have people who will come and remind some to keep quiet if you need them to."

To which Jaye replies...This is what I told you when you shared your personal anecdote about getting in a fight with a loudmouth theater patron and breaking his arm.

The management is willing and able to deal with such people, so that you don't have to. In my neck of the woods, they even have cops on duty in and around the theaters.
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Jaye Jul 15 2008 18:40:26
Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[bTell me...do you think that your public display of affection in that theater would be condoned by the Church?



I have never seen the church say that's wrong, I would imagine kissing is ok amongst married people.


Then SAY you were KISSING in the theater.

You said you were 'making out'. That opens a whole NEW set of possibilities.

What do you consider to be 'making out'?



What do I consider making out? Lots of kissing

BORING!


Tehnically that's what making out is.


No it is not, although most make out sessions begin with kissing. I have already posted the technical definition of making out.

"In human sexuality, making out is a sexual euphemism of American origin dating back to at least 1949. It covers a wide range of sexual behaviors, and means different things to different age groups in different parts of the U.S.

It typically involves kissing, including prolonged, passionate kissing (also known as French kissing), intimate contact, including heavy petting-that is, skin-to-skin contact, or other forms of foreplay, even up to and in some usages including sexual intercourse. Making out is usually considered an expression of affection or sexual attraction to a current or prospective sexual partner. An episode of making out is frequently referred to as a make-out session.

The perceived significance of making out may be affected by the age and relative sexual experience of the participants. For instance, teenagers with little experience in erotic or intimate relationships may perceive making out as a serious act of intimacy, whereas those with more accumulated knowledge and experience may ascribe less significance to the act - as mere foreplay. Inexperienced teenagers sometimes play party games in which making out is the main activity as an act of exploration. Games in this category include Seven Minutes in Heaven and Spin the Bottle. Teenagers are also known to have social gatherings, referred to as "make-out parties", in which making out is the predominant event. Sometimes these activities are confined to a specific section of a party, which may be termed the "make-out room."

Pay heed to this sentence..."It covers a wide range of sexual behaviors, and means different things to different age groups in different parts of the U.S."

In “Lesson 34: Moral Cleanliness,” Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: in the Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part A, 250:

It is written:

'Chastity also includes cleanliness in thought and modesty in dress. The scriptures tell us that our actions are the result of our thinking (see Proverbs 23:7). We must keep our thoughts virtuous and be modest in our dress, speech, and actions.'

When I was attending BYU, it wasn't uncommon to see young married couples indulging in a bit of 'public displays of affection'.

And nobody cared if a young husband kissed his wife goodbye as the couple split up to head for their classes.

When it became a problem is when the kissing sessions were overtly prolonged. I remember a few times when the Bishop in our Young Marrieds Ward decided it would be prudent to discuss where the bounds of propriety lay in physical expressions of love in public.

Holding hands, walking arm in arm, and the occasional kiss was all well and fine. But he did urge the young couples to leave the more passionate French kissing, and makeout sessions for the privacy of their own apartment.

Why? Because we as Latter Day Saints are urged to set the example in all that we do. If we as a Church preach moral cleanliness, and moral chastity, then it stands that we should not be making spectacles of ourselves in public.

As I said...go ahead and kiss your wife in the theater...but save the 'make out sessions' for the privacy of your own home.
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Jaye Jul 15 2008 18:48:01
Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[bTell me...do you think that your public display of affection in that theater would be condoned by the Church?



I have never seen the church say that's wrong, I would imagine kissing is ok amongst married people.


Then SAY you were KISSING in the theater.

You said you were 'making out'. That opens a whole NEW set of possibilities.

What do you consider to be 'making out'?



What do I consider making out? Lots of kissing


Interesting. And you called KitKat a bore.


Huh?

If you consider "lots of kissing" to be making out.... BORING! Try REAL making out at night outside under the Walnut tree when all the neighbors have gone to bed and the houses are dark. Like midnight.. I don't mean just kissing..

Don't call me a bore, dubs. I told my husband you said that, and he nearly choked on his water.



Uh oh Jaye, better give her a lecture from one of your anti sites that this is wrong.


I don't see the difference between that and what my wife and I did, the theator was fairly empty and we were on the top row alone.


My 'anti-site'?

The particular lecture I provided you regarding the issue of chastity and modesty in dress, speech and your personal actions came straight from LDS.ORG.

Is that an anti-site?

As far as what KitKat said...I imagine that her personal experiences with her husband under the Walnut tree were quite discreet...and much more private than making out on the top row of a movie theater.

The Wolf and I have a very private spot out under the grape arbor if we feel like a little amour under the moon. Absolutely private.
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Jaye Jul 15 2008 18:49:55
From LDS.Org:

Modesty

Modesty is an attitude of propriety and decency in dress, grooming, language, and behavior. If we are modest, we do not draw undue attention to ourselves. Instead, we seek to "glorify God in [our] body, and in [our] spirit" (1 Corinthians 6:20; see also 1 Corinthians 6:19).
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Jaye Jul 15 2008 18:53:54
Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Blondie wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[bTell me...do you think that your public display of affection in that theater would be condoned by the Church?



I have never seen the church say that's wrong, I would imagine kissing is ok amongst married people.


Then SAY you were KISSING in the theater.

You said you were 'making out'. That opens a whole NEW set of possibilities.

What do you consider to be 'making out'?



What do I consider making out? Lots of kissing


Interesting. And you called KitKat a bore.


One reason I have not been to a theater in years is the couples, thinking no one sees their in your face "making out" , people with foul mouths, and the always kids crying, jumping up and down in the seats and general poor theater etiquette. I always found the overlook or some place secluded better for a romantic interlude...



Oh geez, I doubt it happens that often, we go almost weekly and have never had kids crying, couples making out in our face. If kids are crying most take them out right away. Most theators have people who will come and remind some to keep quiet if you need them to.


To not go anymore over those things is only hurting yourself. It doens't happen that often, in fact I can't remember the last time it happened.

You're ignorant then. It happens, because kids will be kids. Teenagers will be teenagers. I'm with Blondie. My hubby and I no longer to to movies either.



Well since you said your husband his bed bound, I would imagine you don't.

Personally I love the movies, getting popcorn, watching a new movie on the big screen.

Dubs, I have told you a hundred times, my husband is NOT bedbound! Not by a long shot. He goes outside by himself, he drives, he does lots of things. I have never, ever ONCE said he is bed bound, because he is NOT.

I personally prefer DVD's because they are captioned. With a hearing impaired daughter, you better take stock of that.



You have said he was bed bound in the past, yes you have.


I would imagine your hearing empairment has alot to do with you not going to the movies also. Why would crying kids bother you?


She has never said that her husband is bed-bound.
She has stated that he is in a wheelchair.
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