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In Our View: Mixing religion with politics |
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Perhaps there's something in the water, but candidates in Utah Valley every so often have a tough time separating religion from politics.
In 1993, Michael J.S. Thompson informed certain people in Orem that their support for his opponents thwarted God's plans for the city council. John Jacob, who two years ago ran against U.S. Rep. Chris Cannon for the Republican nomination, blurted out to a newspaper editorial board that the devil was trying to keep him out of office. Both lost. Now Bennion Spencer, the Democratic candidate for the Third District (against Republican Jason Chaffetz) has stepped up to the plate -- albeit in a less spectacular fashion. He told The Salt Lake Tribune that Jesus would vote for him if he had the chance. Spencer quickly backed away from that. For whom would Jesus vote? "I absolutely have no idea whatsoever," he told a news service. Perhaps the original thought came to mind because Spencer, a college professor, is writing a book about how Jesus would view certain national policies. That's an interesting premise for a book. The problem is that we poor mortals have a devilishly difficult time translating religious beliefs into political action. Spencer says that Jesus would back "compassionate" immigration policies. But what does "compassionate" mean? Is it care for the lives of American citizens and respect for the law? Anyone can point out ways that his or her position is really the "compassionate" one. It would be nice if political problems could be easily seen and solved through moral or religious reasoning. But, sadly, that isn't the case. Worse, at times a politician's overconfidence in being on the right side often leads to fatal blunders. Read the Bible, or history, or newspapers, and you will find it to be an almost mathematical equation: Those who are too cocksure of their righteousness invariably fall into arrogance, and from there into the same faults they so ardently decry. It's not that religion must be banished from national life, as some seem to claim. From George Washington all the way to George W. Bush, presidents have properly acknowledged the role of God in the nation's destiny, and sought divine guidance. But they have done so in most cases with the requisite humility and diffidence, and with reference to a generalized faith, not a particular church. Americans are a religious people in the main, yet most don't drag deity directly into political struggles. It is one thing to acknowledge that a higher power is at work in the nation's history; it's far different to try to claim precisely what that power wants from us. Perceived divine imperatives can be tricky. As we noted when Jacob told the world that Satan was playing dirty tricks on his campaign, the interference may have come because Jacob was not the right candidate for Congress. In that case, it would have been God's side doing the interfering. How would anyone know? It's seldom possible for us poor humans to recognize (except, perhaps, in those few cases where moral principle is clear) what either the devil or God wants when it comes to politics. Candidates and congressmen should remember that in fear and trembling. Meanwhile, voters should turn their attention to the acronyms WWSBD and WWJCD -- what would Spencer Bennion or Jason Chaffetz do? That's the real issue this fall. |
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| WaynesWorld
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Aug 25 2008 21:23:07
BACK TO THE TOPIC...
arc1 wrote:
It would be nice to stay on topic.
I am not comfortable with Bennion's comments. I don't agree that he has the answers, nor to I feel that he has the backing of the Savior for his campaign.
It is important that whatever we decide to do, we look at people as people. When someone robs a bank, we could just let them off if they promised not to do it again. We don't do that. We need to also protect other people from being hurt.
When it comes to government spending, we need some services, but do we need all of them? I would like to spend less on taxes. I feel I can do more good with them that the government. This is one of the reasons I am supporting Jason Chaffetz.
Some questions:
(1) Do you feel that Jason Chaffetz has the backing of "the Savior" for his campaign. Why or why not? (Take your time. Unlike Mr Spencer, you are not under immediate duress to reply).
(2) What are some present government services we need and what are some we don't? What pragamatic steps will Jason Chaffetz implement to attain these changes?
(3) What strategy will Jason Chaffetz implement to sway very senior fellow Republicans in Congress to vote for these changes he wants to make? How can he sway Democrats?
(3) What makes him a better Republican for Utah for Congress than Chris Cannon?
(4) Similarly, why did it make sense for him to replace a member of his own team, Cannon...one of the most conservative members of Congress INSTEAD of attempting to replace someone from the other side, namely, Democrat Jim Matheson?
(5) Why did Cannon, a conservative Republican with some seniority, have to go before a Democrat, Jim Matheson, had to go.
(6) Could Chaffetz's win in the primaries be interpreted as evidence of clandestine operations by liberal democrats to replace senior conservative Republicans in office with greeny Republican freshmen?
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| Blondie
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Aug 25 2008 22:04:53
WaynesWorld wrote:
Blondie wrote:
You notice nobody responds to your bizaro posts, that's because they make little sense.
I responded to a few yesterday that were really bizaro and inaccurate, I notice you have no response. Typical anti nonsense.
Get a life dude, move out of Utah, get away from the LDS church you hate so much. By Dubbss
WW,
I think he told you off, don't be too upset , you are in GREAT COMPANY .....
Look for bruises........ But they heal
Thanks for your concern Blondie. He is actually quite a funny guy. And he is often perplexed because I don't hate the LDS church. That doesn't compute with him. I find the BoM and the whole conception of Mormonism (and religion and mythology in general) quite fascinating and interesting. Some do, though, find mythology and religion bizarre, strange, occult and mysterious.
Dubbs gets his panties in a wad from time to time when no-one directly responds to him. He wants response; he wants conversation, and he is good at getting a response out of people. He really does have a talent for that.
But, I'm not offended. (I used to get offended but you and I and, well, all the regulars now know him - he's not worth frothing over )
Little he posts contains any merit. - he just pokes and pokes until he gets a response out of someone. He can be fun sometimes, though.
He doesn't understand too much, he isn't very well read, but he sincerely does fear God, and I give him credit for that. (wait a minute, so do Muslim terrorists... Oh, Well. )
Thank You for defending me, Blondie.
That is kind and sweet of you. love -WW
Good Remarks..... No problem 
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| WaynesWorld
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Aug 27 2008 01:00:11
WaynesWord wrote:
arc1 wrote:
It would be nice to stay on topic.
I am not comfortable with Bennion's comments. I don't agree that he has the answers, nor to I feel that he has the backing of the Savior for his campaign.
It is important that whatever we decide to do, we look at people as people. When someone robs a bank, we could just let them off if they promised not to do it again. We don't do that. We need to also protect other people from being hurt.
When it comes to government spending, we need some services, but do we need all of them? I would like to spend less on taxes. I feel I can do more good with them that the government. This is one of the reasons I am supporting Jason Chaffetz.
Some questions:
(1) Do you feel that Jason Chaffetz has the backing of "the Savior" for his campaign. Why or why not? (Take your time. Unlike Mr Spencer, you are not under immediate duress to reply).
(2) What are some present government services we need and what are some we don't? What pragamatic steps will Jason Chaffetz implement to attain these changes?
(3) What strategy will Jason Chaffetz implement to sway very senior fellow Republicans in Congress to vote for these changes he wants to make? How can he sway Democrats?
(3) What makes him a better Republican for Utah for Congress than Chris Cannon?
(4) Similarly, why did it make sense for him to replace a member of his own team, Cannon...one of the most conservative members of Congress INSTEAD of attempting to replace someone from the other side, namely, Democrat Jim Matheson?
(5) Why did Cannon, a conservative Republican with some seniority, have to go before a Democrat, Jim Matheson, had to go.
(6) Could Chaffetz's win in the primaries be interpreted as evidence of clandestine operations by liberal democrats to replace senior conservative Republicans in office with greeny Republican freshmen?
"ARC1, ARC1 are you there, over!"
"Come in, ARC1. Do you copy? over!"
Can you not address even one of the questions above?
Jason Chaffetz has not a clue how to implement anything. He has offered no strategies, just cliched ideals and words but with no plans on how to obtain them.
So it makes sense you remain silent. 
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| arc1
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Aug 27 2008 04:06:23
Waynesworld
The 1st post was quoted from someone else (no, not jason) and then I made a shorter response from me. I thought I would give you two for the price of one.
1. Jesus wouldn't need to vote, we would "vote" for him.
2. We need security, money, trade, etc. I am not as cut back to nothing as some, but I agree with Jason that if the money is going somewhere, and it isn't really doing what it is supposed to, cut it out.
3. Jason has already shown he can work with both sides, and does have connections.
4. My biggest complaint with Cannon was two things. He stopped responding to my comments for two years, and he had lame excuses why he would vote for a bill he didn't support. Every two years I would here the same explanation. The bill would have been worse if he didn't vote for it. Sorry, I have wanted someone else for 6 years. I am not sure I would label Cannon a RINO, but he was representing DC and not Utah in too many cases. I didn't want a Bush rubber stamp.
5. I can't vote for Matheson, and I felt that Jason was better than the two other GOP candidates.
6. I really would rather have someone that would represent me, even if they are new, than someone with seniority.
7. Without reading someone's mind, there are only a few ways to tell what they are going to do in the future. I was a pain and asked a bunch of really tough questions, and I got answers I could live with.
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| alaab8
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Sep 02 2008 05:23:26
I just have to say that it is no surprise that religion and politics are combined especially in Utah. If you look around, Utah doesn't only mix politics and religion, they mix religion and state as well.
This whole thing really doesn't bother me because I am very used to seeing religion everywhere I go. You get brainwashed just by walking two blocks. But I don't believe that anyone has the right to speak for Jesus Christ.
I believe that the only reason why anyone would want to make such statements, is because they know how their LDS voters will react differently to someone telling them what Jesus Christ wants. This is the Utah way. Billboards, films, commercials, radio, book stores and messengers at your door - all of these commercial Religious messages all say the same thing.
You can't really condemn a politician for taking the same approach to appeal to the same audience(voters). Besides all politicians bring up their spiritual beliefs, Utah politicians are just trying to appeal to specific religious voters.
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