Friday, 29 August 2008
HERALD POLL: Let the roads stay free Print E-mail
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A technological step ahead may also bring a step backward in funding transportation fairly. Utah is working toward charging tolls for freeway express lanes based on times of day, with rush hours being more expensive.

There's some justification for that. Motorists can easily choose to drive in the regular lanes and have some control over when they travel. So the charges don't seem to pose an undue burden. But now experts are saying that technology will push Utah into charging time-based tolls for all freeway lanes.

 

Right now both state and federal highways are largely supported by gas taxes. But $4 gas is inducing drivers to limit how much they drive. And there's no predicting the future trend. What would happen, for example, if a lot more people purchase electric cars.

"We don't even know in 20 to 30 years if they are going to be buying any fuel or what kind of fuel they'll be buying," Texas state Rep. Mike Krusee, a member of the National Transportation Infrastructure Finance Commission, recently told the Utah Legislature's Revenue and Taxation Interim Committee.

Tolled highways are fairer and provide stabler sources of revenue, advocates say, adding that he federal trust fund for highways is going broke. Besides, these folks say, people who clog the roads at rush hour should pay for the privilege.

Beyond that, this thinking goes, because people jam the roads at certain hours, the government has to spend more money to build roads to cope with that crush of vehicles.

Electronic transponders are already in widespread use on tollways in other states.

It doesn't take much imagination to envision a future in which virtually all cars have such devices. They'd track mileage and time of day on highways -- which would become "feeways," not freeways -- and bill motorists accordingly.

Adding a bit of Big Brother, ubiquitous cameras would track the license plates of cars that tried to evade electronic toll-takers.

But the more this idea is looked into, the worse it sounds. First of all, if tolls steer cars away from interstate highways, they'll just clog local arterials.

Krusee called the current funding arrangement a subsidy by taxpayers to suburban developers who use the roads to open cheaper lands.

But what's wrong with opening up more land for affordable housing? Why should people be stuck in overcrowded cities?

Advocates of this misguided approach say that targeted tolls force people who drive to pay their share. But they overlook the fact that our transit system serves everyone, not just drivers. If the argument focuses now on big highways, it has to be remembered that the network of federal, state and local roads is interconnected.

A elderly woman with no car may depend on a family member or friend drive her to a doctor's appointment or to the grocery store. The environmentalist who bicycles everywhere likewise depends on goods delivered via the highways, from his organic tofu lunch to the bike itself. People congregating to demand social change will travel, whether by Lexus or city bus, on highways.

There's also the larger issue. Our freedom to travel is part of a larger set of freedoms. Public transit is fine, but don't overlook the freedoms granted by our system of public roads. It enables people to seek out more opportunities. They aren't tied down to a schedule or route created by bureaucrats. An open system allows people to maximize potential.

Moreover, the more complex the system gets, the bigger a bureaucracy it requires. Just look at the income tax code. It started with a couple of pages. Now it's up to thousands.

Start monkeying with who "should" pay what for driving when and where, and a huge jungle of new government regulations will sprout.

We're surprised to hear some pro-business groups hailing the idea. The idea is that current policies "subsidize" rush hour traffic. Supposedly half the people driving at rush hour are not traveling to or from work, so it's considered improper to construct road systems to meet such needs.

It strikes us as, odd, however, to think that people who are on the roads at rush hour are somehow unnecessary travelers. It's hard to imagine someone saying, "Wow, I'll have to hurry out to I-15 by 8 a.m., so I can sit in traffic for an hour!"

It's more likely most rush hour drivers are headed out at the normal times for a whole range of vital human activities, whether it's shopping, chauffeuring the kids, going to classes, heading to the doctor's office, or plenty of other things. There's no good reason to discriminate against regular people.

Perhaps the gas tax should to the way of the dodo bird. It could and should be replaced by a general increase in the income or sales taxes. After all, our road system genuinely serves the "general welfare" of the whole society. It's impossible to sort out who benefits and how. Trying to do so will only encourage more intrusive government.

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gaystaterefugee Aug 30 2008 01:54:37
justandholy wrote:
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The tone behind this editorial is a bit socialistic. Yes, roads are good and important for everyone who uses them, but people who use them should pay for them. Why should a person who never uses the freeway have to pay for it? It costs a lot more to build and maintain a freeway than it does a normal road.

If you buy a car you have to pay for it. If you get a car wash you have to pay for it. If you take a public bus you have to pay for the ride, at least part of it. Let's stop redistributing wealth and start having those who use the freeways pay for them.


and those pesky public school budgets keep popping up!
Now tell me why I should be forced to pay for a public school that I don't use let alone a toll road!
Try again! If I use it or not I STILL will be paying for it for sure. Guaran-damn-teed!
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forgetfuljones Aug 30 2008 18:51:13
I agree with you. We have to pay for the roads one way or another. And, if gas consumption gets out of skew due to hybrids, electrics, etc., then the gas tax probably won't be the way to do this in the future. Still, tolls are not the way to go. As I pointed out in a previous note above, in certain domains, it's just not practical to implement a system of pay-as-you-go as telephone companies have started to discover these days.

I think my example of financing schools is a good one. Is it really fair for the parents of kids who skip school a lot to have to pay the same amount toward schools that parents whose kids attend religiously every day do? Therefore, shouldn't we start charging kids a toll every day they attend?

Or how about public restrooms? Should we start charging per flush and per square of toilet paper used? If you just charged a flat fee like some pay toilets do in other countries, that wouldn't be fair because some customers are more conscientious about not wasting more TP or drying towels than is necessary while others flush twice just to make sure they get it all down.

And what about sidewalks, for the matter. When my child rides his tricycle up and down the sidewalk in the front of my house, should we log the distances so we can pay our fair share? What about when I walk down the sidewalk?

Most homeowners pay for trash removal, but what about those who use public waste bins for the bulk of their trash disposal? Shouldn't we figure out a way to collect on that? Where does it all stop?
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forgetfuljones Aug 30 2008 18:52:49
I agree with you. We have to pay for the roads one way or another. And, if gas consumption gets out of skew due to hybrids, electrics, etc., then the gas tax probably won't be the way to do this in the future. Still, tolls are not the way to go. As I pointed out in a previous note above, in certain domains, it's just not practical to implement a system of pay-as-you-go as telephone companies have started to discover these days.

I think my example of financing schools is a good one. Is it really fair for the parents of kids who skip school a lot to have to pay the same amount toward schools that parents whose kids attend religiously every day do? Therefore, shouldn't we start charging kids a toll every day they attend?

Or how about public restrooms? Should we start charging per flush and per square of toilet paper used? If you just charged a flat fee like some pay toilets do in other countries, that wouldn't be fair because some customers are more conscientious about not wasting more TP or drying towels than is necessary while others flush twice just to make sure they get it all down.

And what about sidewalks, for the matter. When my child rides his tricycle up and down the sidewalk in the front of my house, should we log the distances so we can pay our fair share? What about when I walk down the sidewalk?

Most homeowners pay for trash removal, but what about those who use public waste bins for the bulk of their trash disposal? Shouldn't we figure out a way to collect on that? Where does it all stop?
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forgetfuljones Aug 30 2008 18:56:14
Now tell me why I should be forced to pay for a public school that I don't use let alone a toll road!

I agree about the tolls, but on school funding, I see it differently. Every taxpayer once attended school, so I see taxes that adults pay that go to school attendance as a re-payment of their own schooling. Of course, if a person attended private schools, I guess my model starts to break down because they still have to pay...
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gaystaterefugee Aug 31 2008 11:30:59
forgetfuljones wrote:
Now tell me why I should be forced to pay for a public school that I don't use let alone a toll road!

I agree about the tolls, but on school funding, I see it differently. Every taxpayer once attended school, so I see taxes that adults pay that go to school attendance as a re-payment of their own schooling. Of course, if a person attended private schools, I guess my model starts to break down because they still have to pay...


Jonesy, Jonesy....according to your way of thinking it makes necessities like education and travel and all the expenses that go with them not so much a tax as it does a lifetime penalty. Also not all have been victims of public education like myself. Heck some haven't even been born here or legal citizen for that matter but yet BANG! PAY-UP and SHUT-UP!
(talk about a Union induced shakedown, NEA comes to mind and well as USDOT and USDOE!) Statistically, of all the education you get during the 12 years of public schooling you only get 20% retention of what ever you "learned". An 80% loss on a 12 year investment would never float on Wall Street.
What makes you think long term tolls or education taxes are for the "Common Good" when the sick queezie feeling most of us get when handing over cash to Smilin' John and the other State of Utah "money changers" proves otherwise. There are too many people way too willing to detour my hard earned pay into THEIR pockets. FOLLOW THE MONEY! The trail ALWAYS leads to deceit and you can Bank on that my friend! Remember this the next time there is a "suplus" of cash and look to see who, if any, suggests giving it back to the original owners like you and me! (Don't hold your water or breath)
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